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Eclectrophonic · Post by **Eclectrophonic** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:10 pm

Hi All!

Which daw has the best automation and why?

Obviously curves are necessary but how many curve shapes does the daw have?
Reason has 1 (Bezier I'm guessing), Cakewalk has 3 including linear but Reaper and Studio One have 7, are there paste in-able shapes in daw whatever?
Is it easy to apply the points or automate parameters? can most daw's quantize automation these days (apart from Reason)? does the daw display the automation better than another? can the lanes be hidden?

Interested to know people's thoughts on this. I would be interested to see a comprehensive list of all daw automation features and ease of use elements listed compared if anyone knows of one.

Is it Reaper, Logic, Studio One, Cakewalk By Bandlab, Pro Tools, Ableton, Reason, Cubase or FL Studio?

Thanks!

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:16 pm

I think Live since 10.1 is the best for this, because they've added pre-dedined shapes, value typing and transform tool (starts at 2:05):

S1 would be my 2nd favourite only because of how weird the curves are drawn there.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 pm

have you tried reaper?

you can do that in bitwig.

carry on.

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:20 pm

Live. It's so easy and fast.

Eclectrophonic · Post by **Eclectrophonic** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:31 pm

antic604 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:16 pm I think Live since 10.1 is the best for this, because they've added pre-dedined shapes, value typing and transform tool (starts at 2:05):

S1 would be my 2nd favourite only because of how weird the curves are drawn there.

2 things in that video that I know you can do in Reaper are adjusting automation points by right clicking and manually entering values and you can select a range or clip of automation points and reduce the amount. It brings up a box with the amount of points displayed in it. You can then manually type a different number in (I think?) or was there an amount slider? Can you draw or paste in automation shapes though in Reaper?

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:36 pm

Pro Tools

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:22 pm

vurt wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 pm...

Have you tried Bitwig?
You CAN'T do that in Reaper

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:23 pm

antic604 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:22 pm
vurt wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 pm...
Have you tried Bitwig?
You CAN'T do that in Reaper

ive not tried either

Eclectrophonic · Post by **Eclectrophonic** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:36 pm

vurt wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:23 pm
antic604 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:22 pm
vurt wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 pm...
Have you tried Bitwig?
You CAN'T do that in Reaper

ive not tried either

No but thought about it. Causing Chaos there. What is Chaos exactly?

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:55 pm

Eclectrophonic wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:36 pm No but thought about it. Causing Chaos there. What is Chaos exactly?

You basically define a histogram / density function for selected "stuff" (can be automation points, can be notes' velocity or pitch, can be channel's volume faders; whatever you can multi-select), i.e. you decide about mean (center) of the distribution, its dispersion and how chaotic the values are spread within that range.

The result itself can be achieved in Bitwig in other ways, too. Different DAWs probably can do something similar as well. It's just that I've never seen it approached in this peculiar, but fun way

dr zeus · Post by **dr zeus** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:36 am

Eclectrophonic wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:10 pm Hi All!

Which daw has the best automation and why?

Obviously curves are necessary but how many curve shapes does the daw have?
Reason has 1 (Bezier I'm guessing), Cakewalk has 3 including linear but Reaper and Studio One have 7, are there paste in-able shapes in daw whatever?
Is it easy to apply the points or automate parameters? can most daw's quantize automation these days (apart from Reason)? does the daw display the automation better than another? can the lanes be hidden?

Interested to know people's thoughts on this. I would be interested to see a comprehensive list of all daw automation features and ease of use elements listed compared if anyone knows of one.

Is it Reaper, Logic, Studio One, Cakewalk By Bandlab, Pro Tools, Ableton, Reason, Cubase or FL Studio?

Thanks!

Everything is a subjective opinion, except a personal demo.

Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:42 am

No such thing as "best", just different ways of doing it.

phreaque · Post by **phreaque** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:48 am

Distorted Horizon wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:42 am No such thing as "best", just different ways of doing it.

Tell that to the 100+ kvr members here :ud

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:57 am

Reaper automation items is the best you can draw complex waveform automation in a couple of clicks.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:14 am

antic604 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:22 pm
vurt wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 pm...
Have you tried Bitwig?
You CAN'T do that in Reaper

But it does only 50% of what does the transform tool of Ableton or S1

Which DAW Is Best For Automation?