DnB Breaks

[Equilibrium]

I have been programming DnB loops for a while but don't know much about actual sample loops. I have the "Amen" break but I don't know any of the others. Are there many other 'famous' ones, and what is the best way to get your hands on them?

Thanks

[Adam_V]

This is the place to get em...

http://www.rah.gq.nu/bourbon/breaks1.html

Check "the grid" forum at dogsonacid.com (link), they usually have all kinds of neat sample stuff.

Just make sure you slice n dice em. There's nothing lamer than hearing a classic break played as is in a tune.

[Lady J]

Yes EQ. There are. Many with names...usually from the song they were sampled from

Tighten Up,
Hot Pants
Firefight
Scorpio
Levee
Raw Thing
Think
Smooth Operator
Paris
Plead

this list goes on.. I thought' you knew...

[declassified]

Also check out http://www.phatdrumloops.com

I spent alot of time downloading all of them and cutting them (without recycle, just audacity) to be loopable.

If you want to get a bit away from the standard breaks, check the above url.

For D&B and especially jungle, breaks with snare rolls, syncopes and off-beat are nice. Check out the following:

Chinoiserie
Eight Counts
Fastlife
Fifty ways to leave your lover
Funky Snake
Give it up
In One Peace
Mahdi the unexpected one
Plastic Jam
Rooftop
Runaway
Shuck it up
Soul Pride
Take Five
Things that I used to do
Up on this
We're so happy

To name just a few.

You should avoid simply looping the following ones:
Amen (Brother)
Funky Drummer
Soul Pride
Sniper
Fools Good
The Flow
Apache
Sesame Street (can you spell "Helicopter"? )

You can get the mainstream breaks and information on them here

[The Chase]

BTW, the firefight and sniper break are the same thing, and it better known as the "tramen" break. This is used in like every "darkcore" jungle song now.

Also, it comes from Dj Trace - "Sniper". It's called the tramen because it's dj TRace's variation of the AMEN drum loop.

[Lady J]

BTW, the firefight and sniper break are the same thing, and it better known as the "tramen" break. This is used in like every "darkcore" jungle song now.

Also, it comes from Dj Trace - "Sniper". It's called the tramen because it's dj TRace's variation of the AMEN drum loop.

the firefight = amen, paris, tighten up
tramen = amen, tighten up

they sound similar but are different.

[The Chase]

then what does the fightfight come from?

[thehumanPlugin]

I remember when you had to buy random pieces of vinyl and hope that they had a good break on them. Usually they didn't and you ended up with a stack of crap but you learned about music! It's so easy for you young ones... you don't know struggle, imagine slicing a sample into 76 different parts with no automatic beat slicer - you can't, it would take you 5 hours! Learn struggle and manual techniques, you might gain something!

Try looking for something original and actually push the art form forward instead of relying on the same old shit. And please don't think that programming the amen a "new way" is, cause it's not!

I have 100's of banging breaks here, and you will never know where they come from cause you follow the trend and want everything easy.

Yeah, I'm mad, so what And if your offended then your precisely the one I'm talking about!

[The Chase]

I remember when you had to buy random pieces of vinyl and hope that they had a good break on them. Usually they didn't and you ended up with a stack of crap but you learned about music! It's so easy for you young ones... you don't know struggle, imagine slicing a sample into 76 different parts with no automatic beat slicer - you can't, it would take you 5 hours! Learn struggle and manual techniques, you might gain something!

Try looking for something original and actually push the art form forward instead of relying on the same old shit. And please don't think that programming the amen a "new way" is, cause it's not!

I have 100's of banging breaks here, and you will never know where they come from cause you follow the trend and want everything easy.

Yeah, I'm mad, so what And if your offended then your precisely the one I'm talking about!

Woah, man. Calm down. First off, I'm old enough to not only own "Amen, Brother" on vinyl in order to rip it, but i bought it before automatic slicing (though not before cooledit), and i'm not old at all.

As for using the amen break, i have used it only once by itself as a beat in the past 3 years, and have only used variations of it a handful of times. Today, i mostly make my own beats with single-shots.

As for sampling it, the entire genre was formed from sampling, even before the amen became popular and everyone sampled those oldschool rave beats. The Roland TR-909 is even more over-used in trance, but that trend will never go away, as the amen will never leave DnB. If a song made with with the amen is a good one, then it is still a good song

Personaly, i wish that the old-school rave beats that were popular before the amen would come back into style, but i doubt that will happen.

[The Chase]

then what does the fightfight come from?

You know, as in "Firefight"?

Go dyslexia

[declassified]

And if your offended then your precisely the one I'm talking about!

I don't feel offended because neither i use recycle or something like that nor i've ever used the amen break. See my above post. I don't get to know music by buying vinyl. I'm pupil and cannot afford that. I get to know music by exchanging tapes with classmates. And i've already done complex manual slicing. Not 76 parts, but very often between 15-20 parts.
Not everyone who is getting breaks not only by buying vinyl is a recycle-ing loser.

[Equilibrium]

Adam_V - Thanks for the link I'll check them out!

Lady J - Thanks for the list. I don't really know much at all about the production side of DnB, in the mode to change that tho!

timewastin - Thanks for the list and the link I'm about to check them out.

thehumanPlugin - I have no intention whatsoever to pump out some same sounding stuff. Wierd as this sounds I have no intention to put samples in any tunes either. I just want to learn how to do it, and if I like it I'll probably just use it on my own samples. I also just want all the breaks for influcencing my playing.

I'm impressed at the effort that you put into sampling back then, but to my mind there is no point doing that nowadays. You can put beats together real fast with one shots if you know what your doing. I'm all good with sampling if it's creative, but I prefer the whole one shot thing now. You should be able to put together and EQ ten good beats in five hours with todays technology.

I'll have more questions about all this stuff, but thanks a lot for the replies.

PeAcE

[peejunk]

I remember when you had to buy random pieces of vinyl and hope that they had a good break on them. Usually they didn't and you ended up with a stack of crap but you learned about music! It's so easy for you young ones... you don't know struggle, imagine slicing a sample into 76 different parts with no automatic beat slicer - you can't, it would take you 5 hours! Learn struggle and manual techniques, you might gain something!

Try looking for something original and actually push the art form forward instead of relying on the same old shit. And please don't think that programming the amen a "new way" is, cause it's not!

I have 100's of banging breaks here, and you will never know where they come from cause you follow the trend and want everything easy.

Yeah, I'm mad, so what And if your offended then your precisely the one I'm talking about!

Why does it always have to be like this with all this macho "I did it before yous with a scalpel, duck tape and reel2reels" attitude. Who cares? Why should I do that now when technology alows me to put my time and energy into something more constructive? That kind of attitude is just plain stupid IMO.

I do agree on the fact that it is a little morally and artistically cheap, to use a sample (tho IMHO it applies to breakbeats with much less intensity since the art here is in the drumming, i.e. the break itself) from a track you don't have a personal history of affection with. Because, from my POV, the point of sampling, i.e. sonic quotation, is to give props to original artists and reference common musical places so that people who're into the same stuff like you could connect to it, not just use other peoples' work to make it easier on yourself.

Still, I don't really see why is it important how the sample itself was obtained, as long as it is from a track you love as musical piece and not just abuse as a sampling source. (i.e. why should someone sample from his dusty scratched third-grade reprint spun on a 3rd rate turntable into his SB Live! if he can get something sampled with pro audio interface or sampler from a premium grade 45rpm cut or, better yet, digitally from some professionally remastered CD like burbonbiscuit provides on his site).

OTOH, I dare you to just TRY to tell me that even samplists with realy deep respect and insight into their sampled materials, like for example Calibre, haven't sliced and sampled tracks they didn't feel at all, just to get some neat sounds.

And finally, I think that people should learn about music by listening to what's good in a lot of different musical styles. Not as a side effect of scouting for new wax to pillage.

[nool]

Surprisingly, i've heard the amen on a few tracks over the years or am i going mad ?

[declassified]

No you're not. It is still very popular. And when it is arranged, i cannot distinct the arranged ones from the original break anymore.

@peejunk: I agree when you say that you could spend your time in something more constructive when you use slicing tools. But i don't like the current development - technology is developed very fast, music is not. If your tracks are better when you use recycle, do it. But if it is just out of lazyness i agree with thehumanPlugin that it is not very artistic nor creative.