KVR Audio

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:29 pm

Rewire is rubbish it can't do the most basic of task.....
I use reason 2.5 & Cubase sx 2.0 via rewire and i find it very annoying that if you want to control each reason device separately in cubase you end up with 2 cubase channels per 1 reason device.

so rewire works perfectly if you just want to control the whole reason stereo mix in cubase via channel 1/2 in the reason hardware interface...

but if i you want to control each reason device separately in cubase i don't create a mixer in reason i just connect the reason devices directly into the reason hardware interface but if the device is a stereo device (which they all are apart from subtractor) then there are 2 ouputs to each device left/right.
so when i connect the two left/right outputs to lets say channel 3/4 in the reason hardware interface this makes two channels in the cubase mixer which is no good for adding effects or if your altering the volume all the time.
I thought the spider merger in the reason rack may of sorted out this problem but it also only has left/right outputs and not 1 single stereo output to which i want.
So the only way around this problem at the momnet is to create a group track in reason for every reason device to group together the left & right channels which starts to get very confusing when you are controlling a huge amount of devices........

so basically if i lost anbody with the above description all im saying is if you want to control each reason device with another host program you end up with 2 channels per device which is very annoying.I understand this happens in all the other big name host programs to (pro-tools,logic etc)

All propellerhead have to do is make another spider merger with 1 left input 1 right input and 1 stereo output then you could sit this inbetween the device and the hardware interface so only 1 channel would appear in your host....

I find it amazing how whoever made rewire didn't notice this massive Flaw in the program ? hope somebody from propellerhead is reading this.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:34 pm

You're right. It's a known problem in Cubase. Other hosts behave better.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:37 pm

agreed! rewire is definitely a 2nd class standard these days. Any standard that does not allow you to save settings, requires you to manually exit the rewire app instead of just killing the host, and does not allow customizing the number of output channels (2 or 64 just doesnt cut it) is in dire need of an update!

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:53 pm

S_A_P wrote:agreed! rewire is definitely a 2nd class standard these days. Any standard that does not allow you to save settings, requires you to manually exit the rewire app instead of just killing the host, and does not allow customizing the number of output channels (2 or 64 just doesnt cut it) is in dire need of an update!

or a cup holder..
a cup holder would improve things for the time being

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:00 pm

maybe 61 sample PDC would help as well

j/k to everyone who wants it in FL studio- but you know that is funny

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:05 pm

I don't see any problem actually, since there are work-arounds:

1) Although most devices are stereo, nobody obliges you to use it in stereo. Just connect L only and it's mono. Or spider-merge L & R into one mono channel. Who says you can't plug a cable marked R into a socket marked L?

2) If you have one stereo device connected using two buses you can adjust the volume with the volume knob on the device itself instead of the separate faders. That way the balance will never be affected.

3) Like in the real hardware world one stereo channel is in fact composed of two mono channels. This gives you ultimate flexiblilty, since when going quadraphonic or surroundsound it's just composed of more channels.

theshaggyfreak · Post by **theshaggyfreak** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:05 pm

I believe this is a Cubase problem and not a Rewire problem. N-track and Tracktion are able to pull both the left and right channels into one track without any problem at all. I think this is an issue with the way Rewire support was put into Cubase and not Rewire itself.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:07 pm

Get rid of Cubase...

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:14 pm

S_A_P wrote:maybe 61 sample PDC would help as well
j/k to everyone who wants it in FL studio- but you know that is funny

did anyone mention "click"?

gmstudio · Post by **gmstudio** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:28 pm

The problem is with Cubase, NOT with Rewire.

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:32 pm

C00kie wrote:I don't see any problem actually, since there are work-arounds:

1) Although most devices are stereo, nobody obliges you to use it in stereo. Just connect L only and it's mono. Or spider-merge L & R into one mono channel. Who says you can't plug a cable marked R into a socket marked L?

2) If you have one stereo device connected using two buses you can adjust the volume with the volume knob on the device itself instead of the separate faders. That way the balance will never be affected.

3) Like in the real hardware world one stereo channel is in fact composed of two mono channels. This gives you ultimate flexiblilty, since when going quadraphonic or surroundsound it's just composed of more channels.

suggestion 1 seems strange to me just like my hardware synths if theres left/right output i always connect both.

Suggestion 2 would be no good either if you wanted to add effects which is the main reason you use rewire anyway , you'd have to run 2 effect plugins one for each channel usless you started making buses which is just more mess about.

I payed good money for reason and cubase i shouldn't have to use workaround methods on such a basic need as a 1 device = 1 channel scenario

theshaggyfreak · Post by **theshaggyfreak** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:44 pm

CANE CREEK wrote: I payed good money for reason and cubase i shouldn't have to use workaround methods on such a basic need as a 1 device = 1 channel scenario

This is something you may want to call Steinberg about then, but I believe that this is a known issue. I know that I had the same issue when I was giving Nuendo a test run. Reason has the ability that you're wanting, but Cubase does not seem to be able to handle it the way you'd like.

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:54 pm

Thank you for the replys i now understand that this is not a propellerhead issue and the problem lays with steinberg

gmstudio · Post by **gmstudio** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:06 pm

Also, if I'm not mistaken, I believe you can "link" two or more channels together in Cubase so that they operate as one. Check the manual.

gmstudio · Post by **gmstudio** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:09 pm

...or, if not, send the two channels (panned hard left/hard right) to their own group channel and add effects there. Then simply "hide" the two individual channels and use the group channel as the main for that device.

Not to difficult...I agree, workarounds suck, but

A) the problem is Steinberg's, not with Rewire

and

B) Beethoven had to work around deafness. I think all other workarounds fall far short of that in terms of being a pain-in-the-ass.

Sorry...every now and then I get all "big picture" and like...

meh...

Rewire is flawed , im annoyed!!!!!!!!!!