Studio One 3,4,5 crashed too much.

[Fraggle]

I have used Studio One for a few years. It is lovely, but the number of times it closes down without warning have finally made me switch back to Ableton.

I used Ableton from version 4 to 9 and it was a great learning tool, but on a few different Macs I found the Max devices were never stable enough.

I don’t fill my computers with malware, p0rn links and scam sites, I am very conservative in the way I use the computer, I been making computer music since the early 2000’s, but throughout that time Max devices were unstable , and Studio One has crashed way way too often.

The final straw with S1 was when I had made a song and it kept closing down whenever it reached the same point in the song. S1 closes down after a variety of actions, there is no clear pattern. For example, click on the song drop down menu, and it closes - other times it might be loading a plug in.

I have looked at all the presonus advice on this, and it is summed up in them blaming 3rd party plug ins , but I don’t use fringe developer plugins I only use Xfer Records, U-He, Valhalla, and Fabfilter….these are rock solid stable plugins, so its not them….for sure I found a ‘sound damage’ plug in that would regularly crash S1 , so I stopped using it.

Stability is the bedrock of a DAW. I think S1 has a nicer UI and is more fun to use than Ableton, but Loosing that track today was the final straw. Ableton ,as long as I use my own plug ins and avoid Max stuff , is much more stable, so another 7 years here I guess.
Fruck you Presonus.

Rant over - lol - still feel mad

[Danilo Villanova]

S1 didn’t crash that much for me (no more than isual), but the CPU use was a bit insane when using Kontakt so I had to leave it. Real shame since it’s an otherwise fantastic program. I dreaded having to come back to REAPER but I did and it’s been great, especially since I learned how to set up the MIDI editor to show what I wanted, when I wanted, at the zoom level that I wanted it.

[antic604]

Well, it hasn't crashed on me yet, but it does have its weirdness - the audio system is very unstable, especially using Windows drivers or ASIO4All. In case of the first midi timing goes crazy, with each track having its own slight offset or 'groove'. With ASIO4All when I'm switching between speakers and headphones it can get stuck or completely silent, requiring computer restart. Weird thing is all this happens on Surface Pro, but -in the same circumstances - does not on Lenovo Lagion Y730.

Hopefully they're gonna fix it eventually, because otherwise it's an awesome DAW and gets better with each release!

[Passing Bye]

Logic is rock solid on macOS, at least that was my experience, I wasn't early adopter or newest Logic, macOS or 3rd party plugins, so didn't had problems people face because they have nothing better to do (make music?) than beta test for any company, for free nonetheless.

[andypryce]

It has a great feature set but as mentioned too much sudden crashes. Also I feel something is off with midi timing. Especially with unquantized parts. With a busy session it does not feel as tight as Logic or Cubase.

[THE INTRANCER]

Studio One's stability in the 6 years I've been using the program since version 2.6 to 4.6 has been fairly solid and reliable on the PC platform. There are things you need to ensure to have great time with the program.

Reliable modern hardware, a clean operating system and enough drive space in which to store any music you record of which if you are recording to hard disks, should be at least 7200 RPM in drive speed. Ensure your drivers / firmware are up to date for any hardware, such as those for audio interfaces and forget about using any onboard audio system that comes with your computer.

Rogue and badly coded plugins, such as those provided by Focusrite for example should be properly tested for stability as with all your plugins before use in any music production or even general playing around. Create a shortlist of only plugins that you know are reliable...

Ensure you have enough space on your operating system C drive, because if you are hovering around 20 gigs free mark, you are more than likely going to run into physical and virtual memory problems sooner or later and also ensure you have enough ram, 16 gigs is really the minimum these days.

Now as long as you can meet all that criteria, your experience with not just Studio One, but any DAW worth it's salt should provide you with a robust and reliable system to work with.

Crashes with Studio One are rare in my own experience and are typically from the result of hardware and resources being interrupted that Studio One requires, not being available. If you're sitting down to produce a piece of music, turn off all the crap in the background that you don't need running as well, web browsers, and shit like that...

[apoclypse]

Yeah. S1 on Mac has always been buggy and unstable. THat's going all the away back to 2.x for me. There was this annoying bug that still shows up every now and then where the app would crash anytime you close or quit S1. No big deal I was closing it anyway. There is this bug that happens in some projects where the app crashes while opening and loading. That's been happening since 3.x for me. I put up with it because I really do like S1 quite a bit and I haven't had a good stable experience with Logic. Especially when LPX first dropped, that's what made me move to S1 in the first place.

Lately I've been using Bitwig. There are few crashes and when it does Bitwig is built in a way that the app itself doesn't crash just the audio engine so I never feel like I may have lost all of my work.

With S1 I've reverted to Win95 territory where my hand is literally hitting the save command anytime I make a change, even with autosave on. I really wish Presonus would focus on stabilizing the application for a couple of releases. Though I do have to say that V5 so far seems to be pretty stable with v4 imo being a complete buggy mess at times in comparison.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Studio One certainly seems far more stable on PC. I've seen a number of "Studio One is unstable" type of posts in various forums over the years and they just **seem** like they're coming from Mac users. It's been pretty stable on Windows. Seldom crashes in my experience.

[oneway]

I don’t use fringe developer plugins I only use Xfer Records, U-He, Valhalla, and Fabfilter….these are rock solid stable plugins, so its not them….for sure I found a ‘sound damage’ plug in that would regularly crash S1 , so I stopped using it.

Why can't it be them? I've found and reported issues to Slate, Fabfilter, Soundtoys, Celemony, and Synchoarts, same as anyone else. These were issues that caused crashing and GUI problems in S1 that the plugin devs fixed in a later update. It doesn't mean they're bad, it just comes with the territory if you keep updating everything the day it comes out. It's also still a smaller DAW so some bigger plugins don't officially support it, like XLN.

The majority of the crashes I've found and reported in S1 were related to 3rd party plugins, VST, AU, or ARA. There were a few with lesser-used features like Presence Editor or the Exchange. Were there more than in Ableton? Maybe, but I spend hours each day working in S1 and maybe 30 minutes a few times a week in Ableton so it's always gonna seem like more.

I could offer some pointers for avoiding 3rd party issues in S1 from talking with different plugin companies (I own/use many plugins so don't worry, it won't be use less plugins ) but it sounds like you've made up your mind either way. Hope you enjoy Live! It's an excellent DAW, although they don't update as often as S1.

[ATS]

I hear about tons of problem with Ableton on this forum.

[oneway]

I hear about tons of problem with Ableton on this forum.

Probably- when something’s popular there will be issue posts too. If you use a lot of plugins and a lot of features, you can find problems in every DAW. I found the best choice was to figure out the best ways to work with that reality, foremost being, “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.” New version of a currently stable plugin with an extra feature I probably won’t use? Maybe don’t jump on it for a bit, especially while I’m using it in a project

[Passing Bye]

Lately I've been using Bitwig. There are few crashes and when it does Bitwig is built in a way that the app itself doesn't crash just the audio engine so I never feel like I may have lost all of my work.

I'm amazed with Bitwig's stability on Windows, rocking old 32 bit plugins and everything, actually Windows 8.1 Pro is performing amazing for me, have no desire to ever get on Windows 10 or come back to using macOS!

[THE INTRANCER]

I'm amazed with Bitwig's stability on Windows, rocking old 32 bit plugins and everything, actually Windows 8.1 Pro is performing amazing for me, have no desire to ever get on Windows 10 or come back to using macOS!

Well you could have just kept Windows 8 and continued using it whilst getting Windows 10 for free so you were at least ready. I've no idea if you still can or not, but I wrote up a 'how to' detailing how to do this simply, easily and whilst avoiding potential issues. Scroll down and you'll find it here. It's been recently updated for clarity.

You never know what DAW developers are going to do when it comes to operating system support. Presonus Studio One 4.6 was the last version to support Win 7/8.

Personally I wished that Studio One would have remained for the PC platform only, as like Logic is Mac only.

[tooneba]

If you want social media celebrities to promote your DAW it is mandatory to support mac os.

[oneway]

If you want cool and awesome worldly people to promote your DAW it is mandatory to support mac os.

Fixed that for you! macOS 4 lyfe.