Have digital amp and effects improved drastically since my pod 2.0

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KVRian
1167 posts since 26 Sep, 2002 from Montreal, CANADA

Post Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:35 pm

Hi,

Question is in terms of fidelity, resolution and quality.

Pod 2.0 I got for cheap and sounds really good but wonder what would a reasonable and recent upgrade would be like?

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KVRAF
10875 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:54 pm

Yeah, it’s come a really long way since then. What do you consider “reasonable?’
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KVRist
42 posts since 7 Feb, 2021

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:22 am

I’d say it’s come on a huge way. Are you still thinking multi effects units or are there key effects amps you keep going back to?

If you are looking for suggestions/alternatives I had a Two Notes Cab M Plus that was a huge amount of fun and flexibility but it just emulated the speaker with other speaker/cab emulations available to buy or import IR’s (it had a 1x pre-amp based on a Fender introduced in the firmware too so you could go straight into it from your pedal board) it had a few onboard effects like compression & reverb but would really rely on any pedals driving it if you are after distorted tones.
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KVRAF
1876 posts since 30 Aug, 2012 from Sweden

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:29 am

Pod and most ampsims suffered from bad cabs. You can still use a pod and get a decent sound if you just turn off the cab and use cab impulses instead.

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KVRAF
4179 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:57 am

Daimonicon wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:29 am
Pod and most ampsims suffered from bad cabs. You can still use a pod and get a decent sound if you just turn off the cab and use cab impulses instead.
agreed. this is the bane of most amp sims, really. for example, i got a NUX MG-300 recently, and the amps don't really sound better than the POD 2.0, but add OwnHammer IR and they're quite usable! but that's as far as cheap hardware modelers go, if you go pure software, a large number of (cheap or free) amp sims will leave POD in the dust without even trying, and i don't think there's even a need to mention more expensive hardware modelers (Helix, Kemper, etc.).
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1167 posts since 26 Sep, 2002 from Montreal, CANADA

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:11 am

Hey guys thanks for your responses!

Yes I am looking for suggestions in the lower end of the price spectrum (I saw some stuff over 1K$ etc at that point I might get a real amp and pedals.)

So yes, amp + effects (like what the POD 2.0 did) would be much appreciated!
I know a lot of stuff gets done on the PC but I would want external..
(blacklight) wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:22 am
If you are looking for suggestions/alternatives I had a Two Notes Cab M Plus
Thanks for that blacklight!

Cheers

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KVRist
42 posts since 7 Feb, 2021

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:17 am

You are welcome, from someone who has spent too much money on guitar VST’s that make a range of promises about sounding authentic/no or low latency - the Two Notes route was the best sounding and most flexible. Their licence includes a plug in so if you record from the Cab M dry if you like (without a cabinet) and chose different cabs to process in the plug-in (various miking & multiples of cabs at one time too)

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14 posts since 27 Feb, 2021

Post Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:35 pm

My personal opinion, yes, by a lot. I never found POD's too good in first place to be honest.
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KVRAF
2277 posts since 13 Jun, 2008 from Napier,New Zealand

Post Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:02 pm

I bought a Zoom G5 recently, It's quite good actually. I also have a Pod HD300. I wouldn't record with anything like that (on my records I use Amplitube), but I think things like that are fine for live.
I'm really really impressed with the amp sims these guys make, they seem to have sales fairly frequently, so I'm going to start collecting them up. I'd like 'Roots' and the Mesa Boogie one.
https://ml-sound-lab.com/collections/amp-sims

KVRer
5 posts since 4 Apr, 2021

Post Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:16 am

Not even in the same universe! the helix, kemper, axeFX are all marvels in modeling technology

KVRAF
20614 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:01 am

Even back then the POD was mediocre, I think - back then the J-Station pissed all over the POD...
so that's a bit like asking "are cars faster than a VW Beetle these days?" :lol:

KVRist
84 posts since 22 May, 2020

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:00 am

I got Hotone Ampero One not long ago. Honestly, I didn't have a chance to really dive deep into making tones. I dialed in one of the available amps, put a couple of cab IRs in there, and stuck with this tone ever since. I'm very satisfied with the tone.
Another amazing option, if you're not that I to effects (just amps), is the Mooer Preamp Live. Tone for days. I might switch from Ampero to that, as I like twisting physical knobs, and don't use effects. Ampero has a big, nice touchscreen, and it helps making more complex patches.

KVRian
1344 posts since 21 Dec, 2004

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:27 pm

I got a Hotone Ampero also. I have a Mooer Preamp Live to ($400 new) but it doesn’t have effects except boosts, cab sims, power amp modeling. I use the Mooer Preamp Live paired with a Line 6 HX Effects.

For an all in one unit though, the Ampero has a lot of features, small footprint, and easy to take to jam with others along with a 12” PA speaker. It’s my travel rig.

Some other competition directly to the Ampero ($400-500 depending where you buy) would be the NUX MG30 ($300), Mooer GE250 ($500 approx) or GE200 ($250-$300 approx), Line 6 POD Go ($479), a little more money would get you a Line 6 Helix Stomp ($599) Mooer GE300 ($699)

Those prices may vary and the GE200 is used prices. There might be others like the Amplifire, Headrush Gigboard, etc

I think these all sound pretty decent for the price.
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KVRAF
10875 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:11 pm

yul wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:11 am
Hey guys thanks for your responses!

Yes I am looking for suggestions in the lower end of the price spectrum (I saw some stuff over 1K$ etc at that point I might get a real amp and pedals.)

So yes, amp + effects (like what the POD 2.0 did) would be much appreciated!
I know a lot of stuff gets done on the PC but I would want external..
(blacklight) wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:22 am
If you are looking for suggestions/alternatives I had a Two Notes Cab M Plus
Thanks for that blacklight!

Cheers
In all honesty, you can’t buy much amp and pedal for $1000. For lower end amp modeling, I think I’d go for a Strymon Iridium.
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KVRian
621 posts since 9 Aug, 2018

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:24 pm

Used, you can pick up a really nice tube amp plus some pedals for under $1000 total, easy.

New... yeah, okay. Harder to do.

Oh, and re: amp/cab modelling, yes - it’s come a fair way since the days when PODs where ubiquitous.

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