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Timmy Put · Post by **Timmy Put** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:34 pm

HI,
As outstanding as having MPE in Ableton finally is, the one thing missing is the ability to separate
Lower and Upper zones in Ableton settings. So i'm unable to use Linnstrument's split to either play two MPE instrumetns simultaneously or one single one MPE together. I know the answer lies in Bome midi translator or Max but despite multiple trials and many errors I can't figure it out.

Are there any Bome or Max wizards that could share a preset or easily digested instructions.
It's such a perfect feature on Linnstrument to allow chords on left and melody on right, but using Ableton instrument rack to split breaks up Linny in a way more limiting fashion for that.

anyhow, any help would very appreciated!
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pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:36 pm

Live does not record the midi channel of the notes you play. It ignores the incoming midi channel data and then round robins the notes itself.

So if you play C3 on your Linnstrument and it is midi channel 7 from the Linnstrument, it can be assigned any channel from 1-16* in Ableton. There is no way to constrain the channel ranges in Live.

So for example, I have an Elektron A4 and it has 4 tracks with own midi channel 1-4. I can set the Linnstrument to only play 1-4 but in Live it will still be 1-16 so there is no way to record my Linnstrument and have it play back as recorded to correctly play the A4.

Timmy Put · Post by **Timmy Put** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:57 pm

Gotcha, yes this is what I’ve experienced. So the only way is for Linnstrument to go through Max or Bome and come into Ableton as Two separate midi ports. Gotta be possible.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:40 am

Would be actually easy to patch up in Max...

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:09 pm

In the midi from selector, you can select the midi channel, i don't understand where is the problem

Timmy Put · Post by **Timmy Put** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:27 pm

Yes single channel is flawless, has always been.
The problem is using MPE which as far as ableton is concerned is all channels. However you can split MPE into upper and lower zones- channels 1-8, 9-16. I’d like to use either bothe zones on separate tracks or one zone and one single channel. This is my conundrum.
As many have told me the answer lies in Max getting the signal from Linnstrument splitting by zones, renaming output to aliases then into Ableton as two separate MPE capable instruments. Dig?

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:22 pm

yes, i understand now.
does this device can help you ?
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/3 ... d-receiver

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:24 pm

Here is a quick Max hack which would send channels 1-8 to a different Midi port than channels 9-16. On Mac it should work out of the box. I don't know if that works in Windows as well, as I heard you would need maybe some Midi Yoke or something...
If you install Max, you can run that patch directly as I didn't use any special externals...

Timmy Put · Post by **Timmy Put** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:58 pm

Tj shredder! Awesome just briefly tested and seems to fit the bill exactly. Thanks so much, this makes everything more flexible in the setup and I can rest my brain and play!

simplersounds · Post by **simplersounds** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:36 am

Hey TJ, will give this a go soon once I receive my LinnsStrument!

Timmy Put · Post by **Timmy Put** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:33 am

TJ Shredder,
After a good night sleep and placing midi monitors on tracks coming in from max1 and max2 they are both only using midi channel 1, still on separate tracks but losing some MPE somehow?

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:45 am

I only split the channels. If you use a midi monitor in Live, its live which does that. Their MPE implementation is an incomplete hack unfortunately, they first eliminate the voice allocation the LinnStrument delivers, and then add their own voice allocation and add the lost Midi channel information out of their assumptions how it could have been. If you play the same pitch overlapping on different pads their assumption is plain false...
Nonetheless it should work in most cases. Its a workaround for Lives flaws...
You should test that with standalone Midi monitors...

Timmy Put · Post by **Timmy Put** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:32 am

Right on, oh well, hopefully Abe will implement MPE in a more complete way as midi 2.0 actually seeps into our lives. Oddly trying to monitor in Bome or midi loupe or midi monitor standalone apps I can’t see the max outs. No matter. Cool for what it is. Much obliged for your quick work and info TJ Shredder and everyone who chimed in.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:30 am

So you are on windows. Interesting that Live does see the ports. Maybe because they are aware of Max, as it belongs to the same company, and can directly deal with it...

Timmy Put · Post by **Timmy Put** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:01 pm

No I’m on Mac. Live sees the max ports the standalone midi monitors don’t.

Make Ableton see Linnstrument separate MPE zones using Bome translator or Max - Need Help.