math music

[killmaster]

I'm on mac so I can't try this out but potentially of interest:
https://codeparade.itch.io/fractal-sound-explorer

[vurt]

looks interesting

[excuse me please]

Everything is math.

[killmaster]

Everything is math.

is it?

[Dasheesh]

everything is math, but music is imperfect and "happy accidents happen" because of it. don't rely on the computer to do it for you, it kills the music.

[killmaster]

Everything is math.

is it?

actually, after some thought I guess it might be. If the Schrodinger equation turns out to be reality. Maybe. I guess there's a question about whether math is truly the best way to know.

[killmaster]

everything is math, but music is imperfect and "happy accidents happen" because of it. don't rely on the computer to do it for you, it kills the music.

I tend to agree about machines killing the music. I keep trying to see if I can guide it into something with some soul but it just never seems to happen.

[killmaster]

I used to be able to say that math is everything til I saw this interview with Sabine Hossenfelder

[excuse me please]

Everything is math.

is it?

actually, after some thought I guess it might be. If the Schrodinger equation turns out to be reality. Maybe. I guess there's a question about whether math is truly the best way to know.

Well, I only know some basic math. However, "to know" is a matter of evaluation, in my perception that is, it's not that I really "know" anything.

[David]

Seems to me that music is essentially about the human nervous system: What the body wants to do, and what it wants to hear.
I’m very conscious of liking both structured patterns repeating and even better being varied a bit, as well as the expression that a great improviser or classical virtuoso can give to a melodic line, or to a patterned phrase or beat; and I think I can detect the difference between machine-made and human-made examples of those, which means I think I can edit machine-made stuff to better suit my human nervous system, and to recognize machine-made moments that don’t really need editing. It’s basically what I do as a computer musician, and always have done. MPE editing is a dream come true in that regard!

I expect you’ve explored Metasynth, Artmatic (which does sonification of fractal and other math generated images), and Xx , all from the same brilliant dev; great old stuff that most Mac music makers know about, and they’re all being updated right now, in case you’ve missed that.

I’ll also repeat my suggestion that you check out OpusModus, as it offers a ton of features for sonification of math structures all in the context of modern classical music theory, and with MIDI output of course. Unfortunately both very expensive and not real-time.

If you’re also an iOS fan, don’t miss Different Drummer, based on the idea that all aspects of music are based on repeating lfo-like structures, and so gives you wonderful MIDI tools for implementing those. I’ve had some great results with it, none of which were drum-related.

[killmaster]

Seems to me that music is essentially about the human nervous system: What the body wants to do, and what it wants to hear.
I’m very conscious of liking both structured patterns repeating and even better being varied a bit, as well as the expression that a great improviser or classical virtuoso can give to a melodic line, or to a patterned phrase or beat; and I think I can detect the difference between machine-made and human-made examples of those, which means I think I can edit machine-made stuff to better suit my human nervous system, and to recognize machine-made moments that don’t really need editing. It’s basically what I do as a computer musician, and always have done. MPE editing is a dream come true in that regard!

I expect you’ve explored Metasynth, Artmatic (which does sonification of fractal and other math generated images), and Xx , all from the same brilliant dev; great old stuff that most Mac music makers know about, and they’re all being updated right now, in case you’ve missed that.

I’ll also repeat my suggestion that you check out OpusModus, as it offers a ton of features for sonification of math structures all in the context of modern classical music theory, and with MIDI output of course. Unfortunately both very expensive and not real-time.

If you’re also an iOS fan, don’t miss Different Drummer, based on the idea that all aspects of music are based on repeating lfo-like structures, and so gives you wonderful MIDI tools for implementing those. I’ve had some great results with it, none of which were drum-related.

Thanks David, super valuable advice and info and thoughts!

[farlukar]

Everything is math.

Everything music is physics, sort-of-kind-of a subsection of math(s)

[Jafo]

To some extent this depends on what you consider math and your ability to handle paradox. Is math simply solving equations? Is it the science of finding patterns? Is it a body of provable statements? Is it a set of rules for manipulating symbols? Is it rationality?* Gödel demonstrated that there's a real limit on all that: in short, you can either have completeness or consistency, and can pick at most one. For example: "This statement is false." (If it's false, it's true; and if it's true, it's false.) Or take dividing by zero.

Philosophy: it's not just for stoners!

* Little joke; "rational" derives from "ratio" -- division. And we know not all numbers are rational.

[Dasheesh]

everything is math, but music is imperfect and "happy accidents happen" because of it. don't rely on the computer to do it for you, it kills the music.

I tend to agree about machines killing the music. I keep trying to see if I can guide it into something with some soul but it just never seems to happen.

because machines don't have souls yet. they are expendable tools, until the singularity, at which point animals will be fighting for their lives. it's not that far away.

[trewq]

When that happens shows like Wipeout will no longer exist, or be any fun