Does Logic have this time-warping feature from Cubase Pro?
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- KVRAF
- 4345 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
Man do I miss the ease of use in Cubase's timewarp.
So imagine:
Bar 1 | Bar 5 (Marker 1, tempo 88) | Bar 10 (Marker 2, tempo 88) |
Now I want to change Marker 1's tempo to 100 without affecting marker 2. The easy way to do that in cubase is to add a tempo event right before Bar 10 and then no matter what tempo I set for Bar 5, Bar 10 will stay the same, and Bar 9 will be altered to accommodate that change.
Logic allows me to do this with the tempo list, following this tutorial - https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... tempo-list
But Cubase allowed doing this dynamically - i.e. as I move Bar 5's tempo, Bar 9's tempo would change to keep Bar 10 and succeeding events SMPTE locked. How do I do this in Logic?
So imagine:
Bar 1 | Bar 5 (Marker 1, tempo 88) | Bar 10 (Marker 2, tempo 88) |
Now I want to change Marker 1's tempo to 100 without affecting marker 2. The easy way to do that in cubase is to add a tempo event right before Bar 10 and then no matter what tempo I set for Bar 5, Bar 10 will stay the same, and Bar 9 will be altered to accommodate that change.
Logic allows me to do this with the tempo list, following this tutorial - https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... tempo-list
But Cubase allowed doing this dynamically - i.e. as I move Bar 5's tempo, Bar 9's tempo would change to keep Bar 10 and succeeding events SMPTE locked. How do I do this in Logic?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4345 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
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- KVRian
- 1200 posts since 16 May, 2007 from At home. Good bye city ways!
Global Tracks - Tempo Track
Follow Tempo
..off to play with my music toys - library music production.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4345 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
Neither of those videos demonstrates the Cubase feature which is immensely useful for scoring. When you adjust the tempo at a particular point, Cubase automatically adjusts so that the succeeding bars are SMPTE locked and at the same tempo as they originally were.
Let's say I don't care about Bar 10's tempo. I want to raise Bar 5's tempo to 100 without affecting Bar 12.
BEFORE:
Bar 1 | Bar 5 (Marker 1, tempo 88) | Bar 10 (Marker 2, tempo 88) | Bar 12 (Marker 3, tempo 88)
AFTER:
Bar 1 | Bar 5 (Marker 1, tempo 100) | Bar 10 (Marker 2, tempo 76) | Bar 12 (Marker 3, tempo 88)
In Cubase when I raise Bar 5's tempo to 100, Cubase adjusts Bar 10's tempo so that Bar 12 lands on the same SMPTE as before.
There's a way to do the same in Logic but that involves memorizing SMPTE for Bar 12 and entering it manually. What I want is for Logic to figure out Bar 10's tempo automatically so that Bar 12 remains untouched SMPTE/tempo-wise.
Let's say I don't care about Bar 10's tempo. I want to raise Bar 5's tempo to 100 without affecting Bar 12.
BEFORE:
Bar 1 | Bar 5 (Marker 1, tempo 88) | Bar 10 (Marker 2, tempo 88) | Bar 12 (Marker 3, tempo 88)
AFTER:
Bar 1 | Bar 5 (Marker 1, tempo 100) | Bar 10 (Marker 2, tempo 76) | Bar 12 (Marker 3, tempo 88)
In Cubase when I raise Bar 5's tempo to 100, Cubase adjusts Bar 10's tempo so that Bar 12 lands on the same SMPTE as before.
There's a way to do the same in Logic but that involves memorizing SMPTE for Bar 12 and entering it manually. What I want is for Logic to figure out Bar 10's tempo automatically so that Bar 12 remains untouched SMPTE/tempo-wise.
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- KVRist
- 154 posts since 10 Mar, 2009 from Australia
I am unclear as to what you asking. Do you want Bar 12 to occur at the same time [as measured from the beginning of the track] or do you want its tempo to be the same as the original tempo?
Not enough time or talent. https://soundcloud.com/user-346125978?r ... rd&p=i&c=0 or https://soundcloud.com/richard-crane-64 ... rd&p=i&c=1
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
In Time Linear mode, Cubase, that ms.12 is fixed in time as measured by eg., SMPTE time code. So the bar definition at ms.10, if not established by its own warp grid node point, is changed; or if it is established may be erased and ms.12 is still what it is both in terms of a bar line and SMPTE definitions.
So I suppose the idea there is to make the [ms.5 and ms.12] bar definitions meaningful as measured in SMPTE (musically measured and matching the picture) by a tempo change and not have to type it, simply establish it.
(If it's Warp Grid Musical Events Follow, the events, notes/controllers et al at ms.12 [in tracks set to bars and beats/musical] will move along with everybody else)
I think Logic has not implemented its time warp map in the same way.
So I suppose the idea there is to make the [ms.5 and ms.12] bar definitions meaningful as measured in SMPTE (musically measured and matching the picture) by a tempo change and not have to type it, simply establish it.
(If it's Warp Grid Musical Events Follow, the events, notes/controllers et al at ms.12 [in tracks set to bars and beats/musical] will move along with everybody else)
I think Logic has not implemented its time warp map in the same way.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4345 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
BOTH! For bar 12 to occur at the same SMPTE time and stay in the same tempo. So I will change bar 5s tempo from 88 to 100 and Cubase will change bar 10s tempo from 88 to 76 such that bar 12 will remain unchanged from SMPTE/tempo perspective.rACatkvr wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:33 am I am unclear as to what you asking. Do you want Bar 12 to occur at the same time [as measured from the beginning of the track] or do you want its tempo to be the same as the original tempo?
I find that in logic I have to change bar 10s tempo to make this happen whereas Cubase would automatically do this for me. This is what I want.