Okay, this is a very naieve question but try to be gentle...
What kind of drums are "generally" used to make trance music: Acoustically sampled drums treated with effects, or electronic drums? I'm especially curious about the kick.
What kind of drums used in trance?
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- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
Standard 909 kit. Can't go wrong with that.JerGoertz wrote:Okay, this is a very naieve question but try to be gentle...
What kind of drums are "generally" used to make trance music: Acoustically sampled drums treated with effects, or electronic drums? I'm especially curious about the kick.
Generally true for all styles that were spawned by early house and techno.
You can always experiment with other sounds later on (I would recommend a good RZ-1 kit in order to work that motherf**ker. But then you wouldn't be making trance anymore).
Groet, Erik
Pop music delenda est.
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- KVRAF
- 2356 posts since 30 Sep, 2003 from Sunny Staffordshire
The type of drums and how you construct beats is a very personal thing in dance music. In trance there are a variety of ways to work, so its just a matter of finding your own personal methods.
Ok, drum sound! 909 and 808 are the staple trance drums. If you start with a set of good 909 samples, then its totally possible to make trance beats using no more. Infact the vaat majority of 1998 - 99 trance tunes were made like this.
However, you can take it much further, and this is really where your working style comes into it. Many of the modern trance tunes use layers of drum sounds and loops to create their beats. Although you may only be able to hear say a kick, clap / snare and hats, its likely there is much more going on. For example, kick drums can be layered and group processed to create composite drum hits. This is how all those thumping hard trance kicks are made - take a sampled kick, layering over an electronic kick, send the two to a buss, process with compression / EQ overdrive etc. Percussion and breakbeats are also use to fill out beats and often help reinforce the kick and snare hits.
So where's a good place to get hits? Redrum has some nice 909 type kicks, claps and hats, all of which are perfect for trance. Finding a collection of breaks is also a good idea, cuz these bad boys are top notch as source material. Samples from other old drum machines might come in handy too, like those lovely freebies over at Hollowsun' site.
Experiment with layers, thats my advise. Make sure you have hits lined up perfectly in the sequencer, with the phases matching, and you'll be amazed with the new hits you can create. If you use a hardware sampler or any other triggering device with questionable timing, then you'll need to either create all composite hits before hand or not bother.
Ok, drum sound! 909 and 808 are the staple trance drums. If you start with a set of good 909 samples, then its totally possible to make trance beats using no more. Infact the vaat majority of 1998 - 99 trance tunes were made like this.
However, you can take it much further, and this is really where your working style comes into it. Many of the modern trance tunes use layers of drum sounds and loops to create their beats. Although you may only be able to hear say a kick, clap / snare and hats, its likely there is much more going on. For example, kick drums can be layered and group processed to create composite drum hits. This is how all those thumping hard trance kicks are made - take a sampled kick, layering over an electronic kick, send the two to a buss, process with compression / EQ overdrive etc. Percussion and breakbeats are also use to fill out beats and often help reinforce the kick and snare hits.
So where's a good place to get hits? Redrum has some nice 909 type kicks, claps and hats, all of which are perfect for trance. Finding a collection of breaks is also a good idea, cuz these bad boys are top notch as source material. Samples from other old drum machines might come in handy too, like those lovely freebies over at Hollowsun' site.
Experiment with layers, thats my advise. Make sure you have hits lined up perfectly in the sequencer, with the phases matching, and you'll be amazed with the new hits you can create. If you use a hardware sampler or any other triggering device with questionable timing, then you'll need to either create all composite hits before hand or not bother.
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
Like they said before, the TR-909, but the HiHats in particular are the only things i use from it.
I recommend making your own kick for a unique sound, wether you made it with an application or from combining different kicks.
I recommend making your own kick for a unique sound, wether you made it with an application or from combining different kicks.
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Muzik 4 Machines Muzik 4 Machines https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9550 - KVRAF
- 7829 posts since 6 Oct, 2003 from Quebec
i will reveal THe big trance secret
use the cKick.wav in fruityloops
it was in the club kit
also available in the kvr trance for lm4 patch
i once went to a trance party and remembered nothing about it but the cKick playing again and again all night and morning
now im in a rock band and i even layer it below my main kick(dfh1) to get big humphf in club-sized speakers(we are 2 guitars bass vocal and reason plays the drums and synths live)
use the cKick.wav in fruityloops
it was in the club kit
also available in the kvr trance for lm4 patch
i once went to a trance party and remembered nothing about it but the cKick playing again and again all night and morning
now im in a rock band and i even layer it below my main kick(dfh1) to get big humphf in club-sized speakers(we are 2 guitars bass vocal and reason plays the drums and synths live)
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
When i read this my jaw literally dropped. NEVER EVER use "ckick.wav". It is like putting an "amateur" sign on a trance track. It is absolutely unexceptable.cyberpink wrote:i will reveal THe big trance secret
use the cKick.wav in fruityloops
it was in the club kit
also available in the kvr trance for lm4 patch
i once went to a trance party and remembered nothing about it but the cKick playing again and again all night and morning
now im in a rock band and i even layer it below my main kick(dfh1) to get big humphf in club-sized speakers(we are 2 guitars bass vocal and reason plays the drums and synths live)
The only good song with a "ckick" was Stratus - "You Will Follow (evol intent VIP)", and that is a jungle track, not to mention the kick only comes in for 30 seconds.
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Muzik 4 Machines Muzik 4 Machines https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9550
- KVRAF
- 7829 posts since 6 Oct, 2003 from Quebec
i never did compose tarnce but i use to hang a lot a raves in the nineties and i can assure you i heard this kick over and over
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
Yes, the kick style was and still is popular, but the actual "c_kick.wav" just screams out cheap to me. Am i alone on this?cyberpink wrote:i never did compose tarnce but i use to hang a lot a raves in the nineties and i can assure you i heard this kick over and over