Kontakt libraries that allow sharing or selling presets and soundsets?

[bluesawsq]

The Native Instruments Sound License Agreement seems to be very restrictive.
AFAIK, we cannot distribute free or commercial presets or soundsets that are based on some existing NI library. Also distributing 'Patch only' presets, which don't include any samples but just reference some existing NI library samples, seem to be prohibited.

Are there any good 3rd party libraries for Kontakt that would allow sound designers to distribute new presets based on those libraries?
Some library with versatile workstation-style selection of high-quality multisamples and wavetables would be nice.

[whyterabbyt]

Also distributing 'Patch only' presets, which don't include any samples but just reference some existing NI library samples, seem to be prohibited.

You've confirmed that with NI?

[bluesawsq]

Also distributing 'Patch only' presets, which don't include any samples but just reference some existing NI library samples, seem to be prohibited.

You've confirmed that with NI?

I have not asked about it from NI. Just trying to interpret the license text:
"
The provided samples, instruments and presets can be used for commercial or non-commercial music and audio productions without the prior permission from Native Instruments under the terms of this Sound License Agreement. The usage of this Product (in particular samples, instruments and presets) for the creation of a sound library or as a sound library for any kind of synthesizer, virtual instrument, sample library, sample-based product or other musical instrument is strictly prohibited. Individual samples, sound sets or audio loops may not be distributed (commercially or otherwise) standalone. Furthermore these samples, sound sets or audio may not be repackaged in whole or in part as audio samples, sound libraries or sound effects.
"

I think the "in part" means for example 'Patch only' presets where multisample zones have been copied from some NI library.

Also, I have not seen anyone sharing or selling Kontakt soundsets that are based on existing NI libraries. I assume that is because it is not allowed.

[jancivil]

"'Patch only' presets, which don't include any samples but just reference some existing NI library samples, seem to be prohibited."
what use is a patch referencing samples with missing samples? And this will be a repackaging, so yer EULA has disallowed it, hasn't it. same with 'basing it on' their library. A suspicious mind imagines the enterpreneur giving the buyer of the patch the samples on the down low, frankly.

Not redistributing material one isn't licensed to is not particularly restrictive, actually just boilerplate, ie., pretty every EULA is going to.

[bluesawsq]

'Patch only' presets could be used just fine by other users that have the same libraries installed. The sample referencing can be relative to install path, and even if that fails, it's still relatively easy to find and refresh the location of missing samples in Kontakt GUI.

I think the NI Sound License Agreement is restrictive for example compared to Spectrasonics:

What if I extensively modify the factory sounds from my Spectrasonics Virtual Instruments?
All modification, layering, and tweaking is still legally considered a "derivative work" based on copyrighted recordings, so any type of sound sample distribution like this is prohibited under the standard license. Use of this type would require specific clearance or a special license arranged with Spectrasonics in advance.

Does this mean that I'm not allowed to distribute my own original patches or multis created with my Spectrasonics Virtual Instruments?
That's not a problem. Any type of distribution of user PATCHES and MULTIS created with your Spectrasonics Virtual Instruments (.prt & .mlt files) is not only allowed, it's encouraged!

Native Instruments prohibits distribution of patches that use Kontakt Factory Library sample references or zonemaps.
Spectrasonics encourages distribution of patches that use Omnisphere Factory Soundsources.

[whyterabbyt]

what use is a patch referencing samples with missing samples?

they wouldnt be missing if they (new Instrument files, I presume) were the standard factory samples included with purchase of Kontakt.

an aside : its actually slightly ironic that there arent already existing libraries based on the factory samples given the 'it doesnt sampler so its a rompler' trope.

Not redistributing material one isn't licensed to is not particularly restrictive, actually just boilerplate, ie., pretty every EULA is going to.

Exactly. The text is boilerplate about redistribution of NI assets, basically. Presets using, but not including, factory samples, wouldn't be redistribution of anything NI though (as long as they werent based on NI presets, obviously)

The same would obviously apply to Kontakt's Snapshots.

[whyterabbyt]

I have not asked about it from NI. Just trying to interpret the license text:

Ive read the license text and I dont think it covers new Instruments that dont include anything created by NI.
I think you should confirm with them. For one thing, do you think there's a single 3rd-party kontakt library out there that is owned by more than 1 in a thousand kontakt users? Why give up on a much larger target audience without even checking?

[jancivil]

what use is a patch referencing samples with missing samples?

they wouldnt be missing if they (new Instrument files, I presume) were the standard factory samples included with purchase of Kontakt.

Well in the thing I replied to somehow the samples aren't included, one supposes they're being removed before this redistributing notion. so here are .nkis or what-have-you with mapping for stuff that isn't loaded. I guess it's like a template, useful in that sense. It seems odd and a bit opaque to me. I don't know why the mapping or whatever is setup in those instruments would be proprietary, or why not really, not my bailiwick.