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Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:37 pm

hey guys, so im already with IL in contact and before we didnt close the topic and hopefully they can help i want to check your experiences. i am a FL Studio use for a looong time, i still cannot get into other DAWs so easily how i got into fl studio. if they would improve the piano roll for example i would be so happy but ok this is now another topic. the problem is i got a project i need to finish but well it just doesnt load! it is some years now old.
i tested it in
FL 11, FL12, FL20 and FL20.85.

IL could tell me which plugins are all in there but well thats it atm, they couldnt tell me which plugin causes the problem. here it comes, i should update all the plugins, but i told them ok if i dont have all of them anymore? they told me to install a demo. come on? is this really serious? ok i will have to wait for further support. anyways i feel pretty bad right now and i cannot believe people use this DAW and dont know if their project loads again in future lol! you ask yourself maybe "why is this guy then using this DAW?" yeah i ask myself too. no other DAW inspired me so far like FL Studio and it just feels so fluid, i am a piano roll user, nothing beats it. on to my question.

1. which DAW do you use?
2. what happens if it crashes your project in the middle of using it? does it autosave?
3. when you try to load a project and it crashes while loading it, what can you do then? if you dont know why it doesnt load? lost project?

imagine you got a record deal or you earn money with music etc. and you work on a project 1 week and it loads fine. and then 1 month later it doesnt load and you dunno why.

thx reading my serious problems and hopefully i can go to sleep with optimism and hope...

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:06 pm

I use Live and have never lost any projects in 20 odd years. It autosaves on the rare occasions it crashes, and if a crash occurs when loading a project, Live tells you which plugin caused the issue and makes a crash report for the Abes.

mixtur.se · Post by **mixtur.se** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:12 pm

Cubase auto saves as well. I’ve never lost more than 10 minutes of work and can open 10+ year old projects even if plugins are missing etc.

Just remove one plugin at the time from your plugin folder and try until you find the one that crashes, if this is indeed the problem.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:38 pm

I used Reason for 13 years and it didn't have any auto save, but it was such a solid program that I could count the number of crashes on one hand up to version 7.01. For anything I did I saved often, every hour or so.

Studio One has autosaving, which happens so quick that you hardly notice it. You can if you wish turn auto saving off though, which you might do if you save regularly anyway. Studio One will encounter problems if you run low on disk space / memory or if using a badly coded plugin. Studio One will blacklist it if it's a plugin and will let you load the program normally unless you have tried to force it to load the problematic plugin which isn't recommended.

In my experience, Studio One from version 2 to 4.6 has been pretty reliable. I've never lost any work or had problems reloading any music I've made. If I make music with Studio One, I can depend on it loading. If files are missing, you can always relocate them.

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:21 am

FL Studio has autosave ...
I suggest you read the furnished materials ...
Type " autosave " into the help index and start reading ...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:42 am

what is "crash"? this is not 2005.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:03 am

", i still cannot get into other DAWs so easily how i got into fl studio"

I should add that there is barely any screwing around in Studio One to do stuff...

Here's a long time Fruityloops/FL Studio user who switched to Studio One.. He has a few videos about it, but I've chosen one where he doesn't record onto an actual track to spare your ears.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:11 am

I had two Cubase projects that would crash on launch this year. I fixed 'em.
I'm able to in the ways that I did because almost all plugins reside in a separate process, in VE Pro.
Life is better with that m.o.

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:05 am

thecontrolcentre wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:06 pm I use Live . It autosaves .

Where would that function be? I've been using Live for over 15 years, and it is one of my biggest gripes, no auto-save function (as in automatic save points every XX minutes).

middle_color · Post by **middle_color** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:45 am

jules99 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:05 am
thecontrolcentre wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:06 pm I use Live . It autosaves .
Where would that function be? I've been using Live for over 15 years, and it is one of my biggest gripes, no auto-save function (as in automatic save points every XX minutes).

It does not auto-save periodically: it saves previous version (up to 10 versions!) into "Backup" folder, when user saves current live set.

demo: https://twitter.com/ableton/status/948924485058617344

docs: https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... ackup-Sets

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:47 am

middle_color wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:45 am
jules99 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:05 am
thecontrolcentre wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:06 pm I use Live . It autosaves .
Where would that function be? I've been using Live for over 15 years, and it is one of my biggest gripes, no auto-save function (as in automatic save points every XX minutes).
It does not auto-save periodically: it saves previous version (up to 10 versions!) into "Backup" folder, when user saves current live set.

demo: https://twitter.com/ableton/status/948924485058617344

docs: https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... ackup-Sets

Sure, I knew that. But that is certainly no auto-save function, is it? I have been hunting for M4L devices to do that but have had no success so far. Here is to hoping for actual auto-save in live 12!

excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:50 am

Bitwig 1, bugs: plenty. Crashes: zero.

pottering · Post by **pottering** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:18 pm

jules99 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:05 am
thecontrolcentre wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:06 pm I use Live . It autosaves .
Where would that function be? I've been using Live for over 15 years, and it is one of my biggest gripes, no auto-save function (as in automatic save points every XX minutes).

It autosaves when it crashes, you can choose to recover next time you open Live.

The post you misquoted said that: "It autosaves on the rare occasions it crashes,...", the post right after it also refers to the same function in Cubase.

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:49 pm

pottering wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:18 pm
jules99 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:05 am
thecontrolcentre wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:06 pm I use Live . It autosaves .
Where would that function be? I've been using Live for over 15 years, and it is one of my biggest gripes, no auto-save function (as in automatic save points every XX minutes).
It autosaves when it crashes, you can choose to recover next time you open Live.

The post you misquoted said that: "It autosaves on the rare occasions it crashes,...", the post right after it also refers to the same function in Cubase.

Yes and no. Auto-saving, as in automatically saving a project file without any user interaction, is not what Live does after a crash.

It offers to recover the crashed project based on the global undo history. Which excludes most plug-in interactions. Meaning if for example Reaktor ensembles were used and modified, that changes in those ensembles made right before the crash are not recover-able, because they are picked up by Live's undo history.

I was honestly being curious if there was an actual auto-save function in Live I might have missed.

pottering · Post by **pottering** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:11 pm

If you look for the crash recovery folder, you will see Live clearly saves an .als file (inside a <date>_<hour>_BaseFiles subfolder), and the undo history too (inside a <date>_<hour>_Undo subfolder).

https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... er-a-crash

what does your DAW when it crashes/cannot load a project? (Ableton, Cubase, etc.) Serious problems!