any shot at the discount returning until things settle down?impete wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:13 amHi! Sorry about that - really. Tim and I simply forgot to announce itJamminFool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:32 am hi pete,
i also noticed the early-bird special pricing is gone. i thought you would announce the end of the special pricing once the early issues were worked out. did i miss it?
Best wishes, Pete
Wotja 22 - Generative Music App & Plug-in Host (Free, Pro; AUv3 / VST3)
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- KVRAF
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- KVRist
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Hi! Thanks for asking.JamminFool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:57 pm any shot at the discount returning until things settle down?
We will think about it, and maybe do something to tie in with the next update - likely to be 22.1.0 - for a few days only (for Windows only).
Best wishes, Pete
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- KVRist
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Thank you very much - we're probably pricing too low to make commercial sense, but there you goZincT wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:18 pm^^^^ ThisMusical Gym wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:56 am I sympathize with the situation, but at the same time, the price is ridiculously low for what you get.
Best wishes, Pete
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- KVRist
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Okay. Thanks for the expanded explanation. So I am guessing the connection between an internal synth and the FX chain is not a simple audio stream. I was envisioning that MIDI fed into an internal synth which then generated audio which was in turn fed into the FX processor and then into the Cell FX, Track FX, and Mix FX. I guess I need to figure out Wotja's handling of polyphony to understand this better.impete wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:21 amHi! And thanks for asking. There are deep technical reasons for things working as they do.zzz00m wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:20 amI think Peter explained the reasoning for that earlier in this thread. I cannot recall which page it was on.courtjestr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:53 pm It seems like when I load an external plugin, audio is not longer generated by the internal synths. But lets say I am working with a mix. I am happy with all the sounds, except that I want to replace an internal synth with Pigments. How would I do that?
VST3/AUv3 plug-ins cannot be "injected" into the internals of the "internal" Wotja Synth/FX chains, as they're just too heavyweight: our built-in synth and FX units are ultra-efficient. Our built-in synths are aware of the internal polyphony processing requirements within Wotja - no VST ever would be. There is probably other stuff too, but: there are lots of reasons.
Therefore, the "hosted plug-ins" side of things was added by me as a kind "post process" in the Wotja modular FX processing system; where you can route your Wotja MIDI and/or Audio very flexibly, to work with your hosted VST3/AUv3; hopefully with enough flexibility to deal with *most* requirements.
So, you still have many options:
- use Wotja as a MIDI generator (VST/app)
- use Wotja as an Audio Generator (VST/App) using Wotja's internal Synths/FX
- use Wotja app a plug-in host using Wotja's internal Synths/FX and/or any hosted VSTs you want.
But again: the bottom line is that iit is just the way we've had to architect things, and there is no way we can alter the way it works for many technical reasons.
Pete
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- KVRer
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In the standalone app on macOS, is there a way to select the audio output channels? I'm using a 4-channel USB audio interface, but need to have the output on channels 3-4 instead of 1-2. Thank you.
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- KVRist
- 474 posts since 4 Jan, 2008
Hi, thanks for the question!
The short answer is: no, sorry!
I've looked at this problem several times, but each time I've come away thinking it was almost impossible so stepped away from it.
However, I wonder: now that the Wotja 22 app supports plug-in hosting: are there any VST3s available that you could use that can write their audio input to different audio devices?
That way, you could set-up Wotja with a number of FX chains, and each one could route their audio to a different audio device through using multiple instances of such a VST3?
Just thinking aloud!
Best wishes, Pete
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- KVRian
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Hi Pete,impete wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:54 amHi, thanks for the question!
The short answer is: no, sorry!
I've looked at this problem several times, but each time I've come away thinking it was almost possible so stepped away from it.
However, I wonder: now that the Wotja 22 app supports plug-in hosting: are there any VST3s available that you could use that can write their audio input to different audio devices?
That way, you could set-up Wotja with a number of FX chains, and each one could route their audio to a different audio device through using multiple instances of such a VST3?
Just thinking aloud!
Best wishes, Pete
I'm wondering whether Blue Cat Audio Connector could be used for this purpose. I will try it out later when I'm back at my PC (it runs on PC or Mac).
There is a demo which you can download here...
https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/P ... Connector/
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- KVRist
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Oooh - that looks like exactly the sort of thing I was dreaming of - I hope it worksZincT wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:44 am Hi Pete,
I'm wondering whether Blue Cat Audio Connector could be used for this purpose. I will try it out later when I'm back at my PC.
There is a demo which you can download here...
https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/P ... Connector/
Best wishes, Pete
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- KVRian
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It works! Here are two solutions: i) Blue Cat connector (paid) and ii) Reastream (almost free)impete wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:45 amOooh - that looks like exactly the sort of thing I was dreaming of - I hope it worksZincT wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:44 am Hi Pete,
I'm wondering whether Blue Cat Audio Connector could be used for this purpose. I will try it out later when I'm back at my PC.
There is a demo which you can download here...
https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/P ... Connector/
Best wishes, Pete
i). I inserted Connector as an FX plugin in Wotja standalone and then, as Connector is a VST plugin, you need a host that can accept VSTs and route to different audio outputs i.e. any DAW. I tried it with Cakewalk inserting a stereo audio track and Connector on the track. Then I connected the two Connectors via local host, adjusted the buffer on the receiver to avoid dropouts (auto doesn't seem to work) and routed the output to any audio card output as required.
Repeat this for as many tracks as you have in Wotja that you want to separate, remembering to use a different port for each Connector pair. In the example below I'm sending Wotja tracks 1&2 to audio out 1 & 2 and track 3 to audio 3 & 4.
ii). An almost free alternative would be ReaStream (part of the free ReaPlugs package) plus Element ($2.99).
https://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/
https://kushview.net/product/element-single-download/
Reastream is a VST2 plugin so you need to host it in a VST2/3 host within Wotja.
I used Kushview Element below (could also use DDMF Metaplugin or PG Unify).
The above shows the same Wotja tracks going to separate outputs as per the Blue Cat Connector example. If anything Reastream is easier as you don't need to adjust buffer settings.
Incidentally, if you want to record those audio tracks in Cakewalk, then record enabling each track and hitting record will not record anything. I think this is because the audio is routed to the audio output of each track. So to record the tracks just add an Aux send track to each audio track and record on those tracks instead. The output of these Aux tracks then needs to be routed to whichever sound card output you require.
Also, both of the above methods also work for routing MIDI from Wotja to the DAW. You just have to remember to open Connector or ReaStream in Cakewalk and, on the VST drop down, ensure that MIDI output is enable. It will appear as a MIDI source on any Instrument track.
If you don't need to route separate Wotja tracks to different audio outputs then you could just use the Wotja plugin in your DAW.
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- KVRist
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Simply superb
Of course, the Wotja plug-in doesn't allow separation of audio by Track. So, for the problem in hand: with the approach you've described, using the Wotja app is a "use case" where the app has a special advantage (due to it's plug-in hosting, allowing routing to audio device via hosted VSTs...)
Many thanks for the detailed report, I'm sure many people will find it very helpful!
Pete
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- KVRian
- 526 posts since 14 Sep, 2016
Ah yes, separating the Wotja tracks to send to different outputs would be the reason for using standalone Wotja with the above configs. I have updated my text above to make it clearer.impete wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:54 amSimply superb
Of course, the Wotja plug-in doesn't allow separation of audio by Track. So, for the problem in hand: with the approach you've described, using the Wotja app is a "use case" where the app has a special advantage (due to it's plug-in hosting, allowing routing to audio device via hosted VSTs...)
Many thanks for the detailed report, I'm sure many people will find it very helpful!
Pete
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- KVRist
- 474 posts since 4 Jan, 2008
Some day, I hope to have the VST3/AUv3 support multi-bus output (terminology check required!) to have Omni, and individual tracks. However, no promises!
Best wishes, Pete
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- KVRian
- 526 posts since 14 Sep, 2016
That would be great but no doubt a lot of work!
By the way, I have updated my examples above to show multiple outputs from Wotja being routed to separate audio outputs.
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- KVRist
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Hi - the early bird pricing will be in place again for the release of Wotja 22.1.0 - due any day now - and will end MIDNIGHT Wednesday 2nd February. We don't actually know how Microsoft deal with that across time zones - so if anyone wants it, don't miss out!JamminFool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:57 pmany shot at the discount returning until things settle down?impete wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:13 amHi! Sorry about that - really. Tim and I simply forgot to announce itJamminFool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:32 am hi pete,
i also noticed the early-bird special pricing is gone. i thought you would announce the end of the special pricing once the early issues were worked out. did i miss it?
Best wishes, Pete
Best wishes, Pete