Is there a reverb that sounds really good for ambient piano?
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- KVRian
- 804 posts since 14 Apr, 2019
I have a bunch of Kontakt pianos: Una Corda, The Maverick, The Gentleman. Not the greatest but ok. But for ambient not working well. Have tried MCharmverb, Glaceverb, Valhalla vintage, Valhalla supermassive, dragonfly, oril river, fogconvolver... cheap or free stuff. So far a piano preset on Straylight without anything added sounds better than anything else for ambient.
If I put out some actual money for a reverb will it make a difference..? Except for use with pianos I'm decently happy with the reverbs I have...I think.
If I put out some actual money for a reverb will it make a difference..? Except for use with pianos I'm decently happy with the reverbs I have...I think.
- KVRAF
- 2069 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland
Do you want to achieve the shimmer reverb effect?
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No shimmer. But good ambient piano effect chain inspiration. Should be even possible with your stock plugins.
Edit:
No shimmer. But good ambient piano effect chain inspiration. Should be even possible with your stock plugins.
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- KVRAF
- 1586 posts since 7 Jun, 2007
You could try Stone Voices Ambient Reverb for loooong decays. Sinevibes Albedo for smooth granular clouds, and Sinevibes Hollow for big reverbs.
You don't mention what specifically isn't right about the reverbs you've tried already, so if you can describe the problem we could make more helpful suggestions.
I don't have Straylight, but if you name the preset you like I'm sure someone else here could help direct you. Iirc Straylight is a granular instrument, that's why I suggested looking at Sinevibes Albedo.
You don't mention what specifically isn't right about the reverbs you've tried already, so if you can describe the problem we could make more helpful suggestions.
I don't have Straylight, but if you name the preset you like I'm sure someone else here could help direct you. Iirc Straylight is a granular instrument, that's why I suggested looking at Sinevibes Albedo.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 804 posts since 14 Apr, 2019
Thanks. That's a great video.Etienne1973 wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:59 pm
No shimmer. But good ambient piano effect chain inspiration. Should be even possible with your stock plugins.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 804 posts since 14 Apr, 2019
Thanks. The video of the other comment is probably what I'm looking for. Probably not a specific reverb....xalama qo wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:16 pm You could try Stone Voices Ambient Reverb for loooong decays. Sinevibes Albedo for smooth granular clouds, and Sinevibes Hollow for big reverbs.
You don't mention what specifically isn't right about the reverbs you've tried already, so if you can describe the problem we could make more helpful suggestions.
I don't have Straylight, but if you name the preset you like I'm sure someone else here could help direct you. Iirc Straylight is a granular instrument, that's why I suggested looking at Sinevibes Albedo.
- KVRAF
- 4287 posts since 6 Nov, 2009
Or just use Reflex Free. You need a DAW with 32-bit bridging is all.Etienne1973 wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:59 pm Do you want to achieve the shimmer reverb effect?
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No shimmer. But good ambient piano effect chain inspiration. Should be even possible with your stock plugins.
https://www.stw-audio.com/products-1/reflex-free/
- KVRAF
- 3716 posts since 21 Nov, 2015
I would still also recommend to check out Ambient Reverb, you can also apply those techniques to that one. http://stone-voices.ru/vst/ambient_reverb
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
Reverbs that do not color too much and modulate strongly would be my first choice (I would not take Valhalla for this).
The Lexicon stuff is very good but also the reverbs from Relab which are partly Lexicon emulations (Sonsig, LX Essentials, LX 480). The Eventide Ultraverb is also excellent on pianos and is sometimes available for a good price.
The king of transparent ambient reverbs that work great on pianos were the Exponential Audio reverbs from Lexicon reverb guru Michael Carnes (now part of iZotope).
(personally, I'd check out the Relab stuff first).
The Lexicon stuff is very good but also the reverbs from Relab which are partly Lexicon emulations (Sonsig, LX Essentials, LX 480). The Eventide Ultraverb is also excellent on pianos and is sometimes available for a good price.
The king of transparent ambient reverbs that work great on pianos were the Exponential Audio reverbs from Lexicon reverb guru Michael Carnes (now part of iZotope).
(personally, I'd check out the Relab stuff first).
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- KVRAF
- 4720 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
Subscribed. I always struggle implementing some really nice ambience around a piano without drowning it. Best I can manage is a combination of reverb and compression (ducking) on a send, and automating tails.
I really like Eventide's Blackhole for anything "ambient", but it takes up a lot of space in the mix.
Recently picked up Neoverb so will try that next time I encounter piano.
I really like Eventide's Blackhole for anything "ambient", but it takes up a lot of space in the mix.
Recently picked up Neoverb so will try that next time I encounter piano.
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- KVRist
- 299 posts since 15 Dec, 2019
I keep forgetting that I have Blackhole. It's great for pads, drones etc.
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- KVRist
- 273 posts since 18 Oct, 2003
Valhalla Vintage Verb and Supermassive are excellent ambient tools. The problem is more likely that all the instruments mentioned are fairly close mic'd and full frequency. Without any treatment they're going to take up a lot of space in the mix, which is not really what you want with ambient music. You want to exaggerate the sense of space and having a piano take up most of the stereo spread is really working against that goal.
Try reducing the frequency response and stereo width of the instruments you're sending to the reverbs. I'd recommend starting with the piano in mono and filter out as much of the lows and highs as you can get away with.
Try reducing the frequency response and stereo width of the instruments you're sending to the reverbs. I'd recommend starting with the piano in mono and filter out as much of the lows and highs as you can get away with.
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- KVRAF
- 2285 posts since 20 Dec, 2002 from The Benighted States of Trumpistan
Simple reverb is flat, static. Try adding modulations to add movement and depth. Some reverbs allow you to do so directly (especially tape sims), but you can also apply a little bit of good old-fashioned chorus or even flanging. Try chaining reverbs. Try different types of reverb -- you'd be surprised at what a touch of spring, plate, or tape reverb can do to a sound. And don't forget (modulated) delays for cleaner, sparser results. It all depends on what works for a given part and piece.
Just save the heavy stuff for when it's needed, since not everything needs to be trippy AF all the time. (And for that, feed a flange into a reverb: the amount of reverb will be affected by how much flanging is taking place at any given moment.)
Just save the heavy stuff for when it's needed, since not everything needs to be trippy AF all the time. (And for that, feed a flange into a reverb: the amount of reverb will be affected by how much flanging is taking place at any given moment.)
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