Post tunes in other sigs than 4/4 here

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Hi
For all of you who are interested in other signatures than straight forward 4/4, I wonder if you would help make a thread with examples?

E.g. sometimes I am amazed how modern DAWs can offer 40+ gb of prefab'ed loop to newcomers all in 4/4.

Come one! We can count to more (or less) than four. It is but one of many time signatures. Let's explore the others.

As to signatures allowed, note that I do not consider a shuffled 4/4 a straight forward 4/4 because the subdivision will actually be 12 or 24 and not 8 or 16. So if you got some shuffle or swing this will do. So will a Waltz. Likewise if you have a tune where parts of it is in 4/4 but it alternates between other signatures, it is welcome too. However, a syncopated 4/4 is still a 4/4, so being funky won't help it turn into something else.


I will start by posting some examples and hope you will chime in with yours.

5/8
https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154/t ... the-sickle

5/8 -> 5/4 -> 5/8
https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154/j ... t-from-kvr

6/8 -> 4/4 -> 6/8

https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154/norn-song

7/4
https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154/l ... for-fenris

Freya's peace and happy music making to all of ya

Gothi
ToH

[farlukar]

7 10 7 10 7 9 7 10 7 10 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 6 7 8 5 6 7 8 9 5 6 7 8 5 6 7 8 9 9 8 7 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 6

https://farlukar.nl/music/0603-Farlukar ... Stress.mp3

[empphryio]

5/4 Listen to Journey's End by Baron Bodissey on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/jkB3z

9/8 and 4/4 Listen to Forest Grove, OR by Baron Bodissey on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/zJxbr

7/4 Listen to I Slept As Never Before by Baron Bodissey on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/UcYGT
(Not so sure about the drums on that one...)

3/4 Listen to A Billion GME Naked Shorts Yeah by Baron Bodissey on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/HbmQg

12/8 Listen to Quietly Enfolding by Baron Bodissey on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/3nH5j

5/4 Listen to Roller Rink by Baron Bodissey on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/utwGA

I think. I have trouble determining in some cases.

[empphryio]

Not sure what you mean by a shuffled 4/4. I just finished something in 4/4 where all the musical phrases are 3 measures long. I thought it felt pretty unusual but not sure it's shuffled.
Listen to Not 6/4 EDM by Baron Bodissey on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/A6P8T

[empphryio]

Hi
For all of you who are interested in other signatures...

I really like yours. I listened to the first 3. Will come back when I have time.

[eassae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m5XvO0Y2-Y

[eassae]

A really old waltzy track of mine:

https://soundcloud.com/cometonaught/a-b ... sideration

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

I really like yours. I listened to the first 3. Will come back when I have time.

Thanks, mate. And thanks for the wonderful synthwave contributions. Needless to say, such win over trivial 4/4 Berlin School approaches in my book. A nice and exciting experience, tho in a chilly way.

Not sure what you mean by a shuffled 4/4.

Yes, you do, my friend. You may just need a little help:

Andrews Sisters Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8of3uhG1tCI

Together with swing, this pushes a 4/4 subdivision of 8th or 16th towards triplets, that is, 12th or 24th. So it ain't straight forward 4/4.

It is the rhythmical basis of much Jazz and blues.

Thanks for the contributions of the other posters too. I will likely return to comment them later. Farlukar's is spetacular, and eassae has posted some waltzies I will dive into. Been a long time since OMD's Joan of Arch. Thanks again.

Kind Regards
Gothi

[empphryio]

I liked your 7/4 best. I think the drums (in general) is a huge weakness for me. Especially with oddtimes. Was trying to do a drumbeat in 5/4 last night and I couldn't come up with anything. Seems like I have to start with a melody first. Your 7/4 really sticks in my head (in a good way). The ending of my own 7/4 used to also, though I think a previous version using bazille instead of massive x was much better for the ending. As it was originally in the OSC I had to only use one synth. I should do a version now trying to use whatever. I think I should try 7/4 more often... but then it usually doesn't work out.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

I will return later with more comments to all. Actually I though your kind of abrupted rhythms were on purpose. I do not know how it is supposed to sound, so I took it for partly exploring the odd flows of odd sigs, where I focus on their inherited flows. I can come back later with some hints as to how to dig into the flows of odds.

[empphryio]

I will return later with more comments to all. Actually I though your kind of abrupted rhythms were on purpose. I do not know how it is supposed to sound, so I took it for partly exploring the odd flows of odd sigs, where I focus on their inherited flows. I can come back later with some hints as to how to dig into the flows of odds.

I wasn't trying to make abrupted rhythms. I didn't find the flow odd at all. Sorry you didn't like them. You don't have to comment further if you don't want to. But if you do please say which one you mean. Thanks.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Sorry you didn't like them.

I did. As I wrote, I prefer yours to Berlin School. It ain't abrubted all the time. I just thought you did it on purpose. It sounded fine to me. Relax.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

I wasn't trying to make abrupted rhythms. I didn't find the flow odd at all.

Okay. I have some further comment for you. First of all, I like what it is as is. Abrupted may not be the general word for your percussion, but maybe "unaligned" as to the music would be more precise. It is like an additional instrument, basically counting subdivisions, which serves as a baton, and it also introduces fills and effects. It ain't quite rhythms or grooves because there are no drums emphasing constant accents or what is known as a clave; a basic rhythmical figure, which guides all other drums. In music as ambient as yours, this is neither a strange nor new approach to drums. Disemphasizing otherwise too dominant drum figures moves the attention to the melodies and harmonies you want people to focus on. Thus, there is no reason to change your drums unless you would want them to sound differently. Should you, tho, I have three advices for you, which I owe to my own Afro-American percussion teacher:

1. Who is in charge of one? (Make sure everybody knows what drum marks the one downbeat)

I always start by tapping in the subdivisions with a shaker or rattler. E.g. the five 8ths of 5/8. Then I find the drum(s) that shall rule the one downbeat. It shall be clear to everyone intuitively.

2. Watch your accents! (E.g. don’t turn a straight African twelve into a waltz by accenting 1,4, 7, 10 due to 4/4 habituation)

Now I got to find my basic figure (clave). In Jotuns I accented the one downbeat and the four downbeat and got the bum-bum, bum-bum clave. In Lullaby for Fenris, I accented one, five and seven (right speaker frame drum).

3. Go woodoo when you got your clave (Stop thinking. Play and flow.)

When I got my one downbeat and main accents, that is the clave, I can make many fills and variations just using my intuition. As long as I do not accent these fills to an extent where they break the flow of the main clave, they leave room for going into trance and let the spirits take part in the party.

From this base, I build up my harmonies and melodies, and they will usually follow the clave, by which melody and harmony are backed up by the rhythm and vice versa.

Not sure I would choose this approach to your music. I'd rather not to have my own attention remain on melodies and harmonies, but here it is.

Kind Regards
Gothi

BTW: As to abruptedness and oddness, I mostly hear that in Roller Rink. Here you have some kind of clave, but it creates a stumbling feeling, only partly aligned with the rhythms of harmonies and melody. Well, there is no right or wrong in this. To me, it was interesting, and I thought of it as intended.

[empphryio]

Ok. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Examigan]

The 2nd short demo in this one. It’s 5/4 but the first part’s phrasing covers two measures each time, so it’s like 10/4 (5/4 + 5/4). The last part is plain old 5/4.

https://m.soundcloud.com/examigan/tone2-warlock-demos