Hello
Is there anyway to create an auto accompaniment and arranger in a daw?
(For example in presonus or others)
It is what I mean:
In some arranger keyboards we can play and record some different layers (like bass,piano, drum,…) in 4 or 8 bars, then save it as a rythm loop ,
then with auto accompaniment, we can play that rythm and change its chord by pressing the notes on keyboard,
we can turn off-on the layers, changing tempo, adding fills and intro..
Is it possible in daw?
Thanks in Advance
Arranger in daw
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- KVRian
- 1055 posts since 3 Jul, 2006
Hi there,
I'm not sure this section of the forum is the best for your question, but nevertheless..
I think it can be done, but needs some work and time spent to get it working.
I've been trying to do exactly what you said, without owning an arranger keyboard.
I've built (over the last decade) my own system from scratch in order to play a 'jam track' (what arranger keyboards call styles) with my left hand (2 finger `intelligent` chord recognition) and a melody with my right hand.
I also have another keyboard stacked, used for an additional voice for my right hand.
My feet use the FCB1010 midi foot controller to change song sections, instrument options, rhythms, turn jam track on/off.
Recently I've also got myself a Yamaha Genos, and I'm a little bit disappointed by the lack of freedom in editing their so-called styles, such that I need to resort to hex editor style hacking... But that's more towards mixing existing styles, and it can get difficult to be "original" since those rhythms and style parts are ripping off very well known songs.
There are no free tools to do whatever you want. But that's a different story, and I digress.
For my own system, I use EnergyXT v1.4, 32bit free midi processors (bless you, Piz), sometimes 3rd party midi drivers, plug`n`script to write my own midi processors, bridges to 64bit plugins. Basically I split the keyboard, left side detects chord, right side plays layered instruments.
The bass pattern will follow the chord + modify any harmonies added to the right hand. Harmonies means adding additional notes to the note being played with the right hand, that match your left hand chord (but calculated and changed in real time).
A cool workflow that I use, is to separate completely my main linear DAW from the eXT one using the free Legree suite from VstHost. You might be able to use Legree also as a poor's man bridger. But jBridge works wonders for me. For extending eXT to hosting x64 and VST3 I use Element (the free version - modular style similar to eXT). pizMidi is a gift from God!
With a computer system you can do whatever your mind can invent. With an arranger keyboard you're stuck with the way the manufacturer 'designed' how you would play...
Perhaps a few more details in this post:
viewtopic.php?p=8290953#p8290953
viewtopic.php?p=7131429#p7131429
Here also a link to eXT 1.4 (thanks to the internet archive)
viewtopic.php?p=8346875#p8346875
Maybe v2 could also be used to get similar results; the license is the same, downward compatible.
Actually I was inspired by what Vangelis was doing with his huge setup (many keyboards, custom midi machines, tens of pedals...) and the magic "Direct" approach to recording.
If you want more details, feel free to pm. I may try to answer other questions.
I'm not sure this section of the forum is the best for your question, but nevertheless..
I think it can be done, but needs some work and time spent to get it working.
I've been trying to do exactly what you said, without owning an arranger keyboard.
I've built (over the last decade) my own system from scratch in order to play a 'jam track' (what arranger keyboards call styles) with my left hand (2 finger `intelligent` chord recognition) and a melody with my right hand.
I also have another keyboard stacked, used for an additional voice for my right hand.
My feet use the FCB1010 midi foot controller to change song sections, instrument options, rhythms, turn jam track on/off.
Recently I've also got myself a Yamaha Genos, and I'm a little bit disappointed by the lack of freedom in editing their so-called styles, such that I need to resort to hex editor style hacking... But that's more towards mixing existing styles, and it can get difficult to be "original" since those rhythms and style parts are ripping off very well known songs.
There are no free tools to do whatever you want. But that's a different story, and I digress.
For my own system, I use EnergyXT v1.4, 32bit free midi processors (bless you, Piz), sometimes 3rd party midi drivers, plug`n`script to write my own midi processors, bridges to 64bit plugins. Basically I split the keyboard, left side detects chord, right side plays layered instruments.
The bass pattern will follow the chord + modify any harmonies added to the right hand. Harmonies means adding additional notes to the note being played with the right hand, that match your left hand chord (but calculated and changed in real time).
A cool workflow that I use, is to separate completely my main linear DAW from the eXT one using the free Legree suite from VstHost. You might be able to use Legree also as a poor's man bridger. But jBridge works wonders for me. For extending eXT to hosting x64 and VST3 I use Element (the free version - modular style similar to eXT). pizMidi is a gift from God!
With a computer system you can do whatever your mind can invent. With an arranger keyboard you're stuck with the way the manufacturer 'designed' how you would play...
Perhaps a few more details in this post:
viewtopic.php?p=8290953#p8290953
viewtopic.php?p=7131429#p7131429
Here also a link to eXT 1.4 (thanks to the internet archive)
viewtopic.php?p=8346875#p8346875
Maybe v2 could also be used to get similar results; the license is the same, downward compatible.
Actually I was inspired by what Vangelis was doing with his huge setup (many keyboards, custom midi machines, tens of pedals...) and the magic "Direct" approach to recording.
If you want more details, feel free to pm. I may try to answer other questions.
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- KVRian
- 1454 posts since 17 Jul, 2007 from Riversland Valhalla
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- KVRian
- 1055 posts since 3 Jul, 2006
Ha, the tech has evolved.
This gives me some ideas to implement in my own system
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 16 posts since 13 Feb, 2022
Dear friendjackoo wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:05 pm Hi there,
I'm not sure this section of the forum is the best for your question, but nevertheless..
I think it can be done, but needs some work and time spent to get it working.
I've been trying to do exactly what you said, without owning an arranger keyboard.
I've built (over the last decade) my own system from scratch in order to play a 'jam track' (what arranger keyboards call styles) with my left hand (2 finger `intelligent` chord recognition) and a melody with my right hand.
I also have another keyboard stacked, used for an additional voice for my right hand.
My feet use the FCB1010 midi foot controller to change song sections, instrument options, rhythms, turn jam track on/off.
Recently I've also got myself a Yamaha Genos, and I'm a little bit disappointed by the lack of freedom in editing their so-called styles, such that I need to resort to hex editor style hacking... But that's more towards mixing existing styles, and it can get difficult to be "original" since those rhythms and style parts are ripping off very well known songs.
There are no free tools to do whatever you want. But that's a different story, and I digress.
For my own system, I use EnergyXT v1.4, 32bit free midi processors (bless you, Piz), sometimes 3rd party midi drivers, plug`n`script to write my own midi processors, bridges to 64bit plugins. Basically I split the keyboard, left side detects chord, right side plays layered instruments.
The bass pattern will follow the chord + modify any harmonies added to the right hand. Harmonies means adding additional notes to the note being played with the right hand, that match your left hand chord (but calculated and changed in real time).
A cool workflow that I use, is to separate completely my main linear DAW from the eXT one using the free Legree suite from VstHost. You might be able to use Legree also as a poor's man bridger. But jBridge works wonders for me. For extending eXT to hosting x64 and VST3 I use Element (the free version - modular style similar to eXT). pizMidi is a gift from God!
With a computer system you can do whatever your mind can invent. With an arranger keyboard you're stuck with the way the manufacturer 'designed' how you would play...
Perhaps a few more details in this post:
viewtopic.php?p=8290953#p8290953
viewtopic.php?p=7131429#p7131429
Here also a link to eXT 1.4 (thanks to the internet archive)
viewtopic.php?p=8346875#p8346875
Maybe v2 could also be used to get similar results; the license is the same, downward compatible.
Actually I was inspired by what Vangelis was doing with his huge setup (many keyboards, custom midi machines, tens of pedals...) and the magic "Direct" approach to recording.
If you want more details, feel free to pm. I may try to answer other questions.
Thank you very much for your complete and accurate answers
I really enjoyed your attention to detail on this matter.
I will carefully read your post and give you my feedback.
Thank you again
Kind Regards