Commercial electronic music in the future

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Hellos

This is kinda of a follow on from my experimental music Vs messing around (21st century style) post

This is to do with the "electronic music develops in structure and design with the development of the software/hardware" debate.

This is mostly to do with commercial electronic music as stuff like autechre and the AFX will be doing their own thing forever (I forsee Autechre developing mind-meld-music devices and the twin starting to use tin pots only :P ).

Anyway. Hosts, synths, effects are getting more and more complex. Things like the "8-bar First Contact" preset on the Z3ta+ are amazing. That preset can act as the basis for an entire tune :)

Also with synths like Z3ta+, Rhino, Absynth, Crystal and the like, the patches have so much depth, timbres and overwhelming content.
By playing just one note (never mind chords :o ) a beautiful/rhythmic/harsh/dancy sound can be created.

Anyway the point I am getting at, is that I think that commercial electronic music will get more and more simplistic in the writing as the sounds used will become more and more complex. A case of music writing itself? :?
Why spend time creating chord structres when the presets do it for you? Or if you are a twiddler, just create the biggest patch possible and play the same note throughout the tune

(Note: this is not a dig at the use of presets -presets are ace and help me a lot for many reasons)

Conversely, with the wider proliferation and availability of these synth, as well as SuperCollider, PD, Max/MSP etc, the Bedroom musician/Serious avant-garde artist fine line will become more and more blurred 8)

So, what do you all think :?:

[yeah, this post is elitest, but the music i am talking about - and you know the styles! - is not really music, IMHO, but a product]
Phil

"The fool who persists in his folly will become wise" - William Blake
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don´t fool yerselfs kids...as the tools get better, the music will have to be of a higher quality to even be listened too...Think of the old rave days...anyone making simpistic tunes like that today won't last long.

It's all about the stutterFX and automtation envelopes and catchy melodies n kickass percussion.
You need to keep a high level of interest and sonic mangling to even get the punters to dance theses days...go out to a night of psy or prog and you'll see what I'm talking about.

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im takin over the world :hihi:
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assuming you WANT the punters to dance ...

... commercial doesnt necessarily = dance

slainte :wink: rob

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mindless wrote:don´t fool yerselfs kids...as the tools get better, the music will have to be of a higher quality to even be listened too...Think of the old rave days...anyone making simpistic tunes like that today won't last long.

It's all about the stutterFX and automtation envelopes and catchy melodies n kickass percussion.
You need to keep a high level of interest and sonic mangling to even get the punters to dance theses days...go out to a night of psy or prog and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Thats what I am talking about!! Interesting sounds are now only a key-press away. next will be built-in noise gates into big synths so that stutters can be incorporated into the intial sound.

catchy melodies? I'm a big fan of the Buzzcocks. two chords and a seventh. thats all you need.

Higher quality? IMHO the riffs and the beats on old hardcore records ar more intersting - always chopping and changing.

And people do get in the top 10 with really basic tunes ("Sandstorm" by Darude, anybody?)
Phil

"The fool who persists in his folly will become wise" - William Blake
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vurt wrote:im takin over the world :hihi:
[idiot radio1 voice]The top three this week!![/idiot radio1 voice]

1)Ultrabeat
2)Vurt
3)DJ Sammy
Phil

"The fool who persists in his folly will become wise" - William Blake
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pHz wrote: ... commercial doesnt necessarily = dance
Indeed. Thats why I didnt mention music styles :P . But the most commcercial is dance, IMHO - cheap outlay, high profit margin :!:
Phil

"The fool who persists in his folly will become wise" - William Blake
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Bunnyboy wrote:
vurt wrote:im takin over the world :hihi:
[idiot radio1 voice]The top three this week!![/idiot radio1 voice]

1)Ultrabeat
2)Vurt
3)DJ Sammy

as long as i get to keep dj sammy as a little imp to fetch me coffee and skins i dont mind :lol:
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Bunnyboy wrote:
mindless wrote:don´t fool yerselfs kids...as the tools get better, the music will have to be of a higher quality to even be listened too...Think of the old rave days...anyone making simpistic tunes like that today won't last long.

It's all about the stutterFX and automtation envelopes and catchy melodies n kickass percussion.
You need to keep a high level of interest and sonic mangling to even get the punters to dance theses days...go out to a night of psy or prog and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Thats what I am talking about!! Interesting sounds are now only a key-press away. next will be built-in noise gates into big synths so that stutters can be incorporated into the intial sound.

catchy melodies? I'm a big fan of the Buzzcocks. two chords and a seventh. thats all you need.

Higher quality? IMHO the riffs and the beats on old hardcore records ar more intersting - always chopping and changing.

And people do get in the top 10 with really basic tunes ("Sandstorm" by Darude, anybody?)
OK I missunderstood...commersial eh? not my game...to be PROGRESSIVE these days all of the above applies...and what's this talk about great sounds only being available "today"...Have you somehow forgotten the fact that most of the VSTis today are emulations of old fantastic machines?

Think about Korg/moog/OSCar/ARP etc...those were the beast of yeasterday and the only dif. now is that everyone can have them...That means more music and more options for the discerning listener!

Keep your socks on will ya!

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mindless wrote:don´t fool yerselfs kids...as the tools get better, the music will have to be of a higher quality to even be listened too...Think of the old rave days...anyone making simpistic tunes like that today won't last long.

It's all about the stutterFX and automtation envelopes and catchy melodies n kickass percussion.
You need to keep a high level of interest and sonic mangling to even get the punters to dance theses days...go out to a night of psy or prog and you'll see what I'm talking about.
BUT... the old is new again. Old psy/goa heroes are back and are playing their simplistic brute force tunes again, some are remixed but I think the basics of the old sound is back but with a automated twist :)

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Bunnyboy wrote: Anyway. Hosts, synths, effects are getting more and more complex. Things like the "8-bar First Contact" preset on the Z3ta+ are amazing. That preset can act as the basis for an entire tune :)
Anyone tried he Korg Karma, it got a song at every preset.

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nuffink wrote:Lets ask the Guardian shall we...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/musi ... 16,00.html
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crunk sucks...

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mindless wrote: OK I missunderstood...commersial eh? not my game...to be PROGRESSIVE these days all of the above applies...and what's this talk about great sounds only being available "today"...Have you somehow forgotten the fact that most of the VSTis today are emulations of old fantastic machines?

Think about Korg/moog/OSCar/ARP etc...those were the beast of yeasterday and the only dif. now is that everyone can have them...That means more music and more options for the discerning listener!

Keep your socks on will ya!
Ah, not wearing socks at the moment :wink:

True, as you say people creating music for artistic, musical reasons (whatever they might be) will always be doing things differently, and more interestingly, even if it is to stave off boredom when writing the tunes.

How many Kids owned an OSCar, Mood, Oddessey back in the day? None - too bloody expensive!! Okay the big bands used them and created the sounds we know and, er, love, but if the kids got their hands on them, crazy, strange noises would've been the order of the day. So in effect the hardware synths of yesterday creat the sounds of today (in soft form)

But there is no way you could do Absynth, Z3ta+, Rhino, Cameleon, Crystal in hardware form. Brand new stuff, at affordable prices (I wish!!)

The "great sounds" i mean are the complexity. Compare the Juno 6 (hardware) with the Z3ta+. Which one is cheaper and which one makes the wider, more sonically rich sounds. Z3ta+ for both. Try writing a song using a Juno 6 only, then try with the Z3ta+

See what I mean?

Piece of cake with the Z3ta+ to make a trance tune, just with the presets and a bit of judicious note placement
Phil

"The fool who persists in his folly will become wise" - William Blake
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