Stupid question about audio interface..
- KVRist
- 46 posts since 16 Aug, 2022
Does the audio output quality from one audio interface to another audio interface different? I'm talking only about the audio output, playing audio with same bitrate, bit depth etc. Not the recorded audio from the interface.
Because some 10 years ago, I remember I had some M-Audio interface then switch it for Focusrite Saffire, the audio output is so much difference. But I don't know maybe it's only in my ears. Nowadays, I'm searching in the forum and online articles there aren't any answers. Only talking about the preamp/input quality.
I'm asking because I had Behringer audio interface that I can borrow from friend, but also I'm looking at Focusrite Solo or Komplete Audio to buy. If there aren't any differences in audio output I better go borrow the Behringer.
Because some 10 years ago, I remember I had some M-Audio interface then switch it for Focusrite Saffire, the audio output is so much difference. But I don't know maybe it's only in my ears. Nowadays, I'm searching in the forum and online articles there aren't any answers. Only talking about the preamp/input quality.
I'm asking because I had Behringer audio interface that I can borrow from friend, but also I'm looking at Focusrite Solo or Komplete Audio to buy. If there aren't any differences in audio output I better go borrow the Behringer.
- KVRAF
- 8238 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
The differences are tiny, not worth worrying about at that price range.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 46 posts since 16 Aug, 2022
Yeah I've tried behringer, the weird thing is the driver is the same as the onboard audio driver? Does it mean the sound quality is the same as onboard audio except it has more input?tehlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:20 pm The differences are tiny, not worth worrying about at that price range.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
I'll look at those Audient ones..
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- KVRAF
- 35728 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
What do you mean by that?Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:40 pmYeah I've tried behringer, the weird thing is the driver is the same as the onboard audio driver?tehlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:20 pm The differences are tiny, not worth worrying about at that price range.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
Also, which Behringer are you talking about?
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
The Behringer UMC202/204/404 HD192 (higher priced than the entry level ones but still cheap) range are excellent - balanced outputs superb quiet preamps, good monitoring options, and built like tanks.tehlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:20 pm
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
Recorded and mixed everything I've done in the last few years on them, and no complaints.
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 46 posts since 16 Aug, 2022
Behringer UM2chk071 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:41 pmWhat do you mean by that?Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:40 pmYeah I've tried behringer, the weird thing is the driver is the same as the onboard audio driver?tehlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:20 pm The differences are tiny, not worth worrying about at that price range.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
Also, which Behringer are you talking about?
It uses ASIO4all driver (universal audio driver that can be used with the onboard audio). No specific Behringer driver.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
See my post above...the UMC range are far more highly specified.Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:46 pmBehringer UM2chk071 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:41 pmWhat do you mean by that?Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:40 pmYeah I've tried behringer, the weird thing is the driver is the same as the onboard audio driver?tehlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:20 pm The differences are tiny, not worth worrying about at that price range.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
Also, which Behringer are you talking about?
It uses ASIO4all driver (universal audio driver that can be used with the onboard audio). No specific Behringer driver.
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 46 posts since 16 Aug, 2022
Hmm so it does have its own driver, right? Have you compared those with focusrite or NI interface ones?donkey tugger wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:47 pmSee my post above...the UMC range are far more highly specified.Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:46 pmBehringer UM2chk071 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:41 pmWhat do you mean by that?Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:40 pmYeah I've tried behringer, the weird thing is the driver is the same as the onboard audio driver?tehlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:20 pm The differences are tiny, not worth worrying about at that price range.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
Also, which Behringer are you talking about?
It uses ASIO4all driver (universal audio driver that can be used with the onboard audio). No specific Behringer driver.
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- KVRAF
- 35728 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Ah. Well, especially ASIO4ALL is not responsible for anything sound related. If then the sound related differences are caused by the digital to analog converters.Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:46 pmBehringer UM2chk071 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:41 pmWhat do you mean by that?Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:40 pmYeah I've tried behringer, the weird thing is the driver is the same as the onboard audio driver?tehlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:20 pm The differences are tiny, not worth worrying about at that price range.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
Also, which Behringer are you talking about?
It uses ASIO4all driver (universal audio driver that can be used with the onboard audio). No specific Behringer driver.
Pretty sad that Behringer uses ASIO4ALL for its audio interfaces though... it's not optimal in terms of CPU consumption and latency. Better get one with dedicated ASIO drivers. I can recommend the Steinberg interfaces.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Yes it has a native ASIO driver. Not ever used either of the other two so can't compare. My experience is that it's always been rock solid, but doing mostly work with audio and sample libraries I never really need to max things out. Others may have more info.Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:50 pmHmm so it does have its own driver, right? Have you compared those with focusrite or NI interface ones?donkey tugger wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:47 pmSee my post above...the UMC range are far more highly specified.Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:46 pmBehringer UM2chk071 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:41 pmWhat do you mean by that?Maira wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:40 pmYeah I've tried behringer, the weird thing is the driver is the same as the onboard audio driver?tehlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:20 pm The differences are tiny, not worth worrying about at that price range.
However, driver quality and build quality are definitely worth mentioning and in this case it's a good idea to avoid Behringer. The best starter interface out there would be one of the cheaper ones from Audient. They're good enough to actually hear a difference on the audio output compared to something like a Focusrite Scarlet range offering.
Also, which Behringer are you talking about?
It uses ASIO4all driver (universal audio driver that can be used with the onboard audio). No specific Behringer driver.
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- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
The mid range have ASIO drivers, and they are up to date with Windows 11. They work in OSX and Linux without the need for drivers.chk071 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:50 pm
Pretty sad that Behringer uses ASIO4ALL for its audio interfaces though...
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- KVRAF
- 2720 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
I have a UMC1820 and the ASIO drivers on Windows seem ok if not the most advanced. But at least it does work as a "class-compliant" device and is usable on other platforms. Critically for my purposes, it works on Linux so I don't have to use a separate interface for listening to music while coding... I passed on more expensive devices that don't support Linux at all because they only work through secret proprietary interfaces.
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- KVRAF
- 35728 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Still sad that they expect you to use ASIO4ALL with their entry level interfaces.
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- KVRist
- 175 posts since 1 Apr, 2022
One of the easiest way to know the output quality is Dynamic Range and THD.
Focusrite Solo - DR : 108dB, THD : < 0.002%
Focusrite Clarett 2 Pre - DR : 118/119dB, THD : 0.001%
I love my Topping E50 as DA. Only $200, DR 126dB + THD : 0.00009%, ASIO 768kHz / DSD support.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru ... dac.26219/
If you don't like those numbers, trust your ears.
Here is Lynx vs Behringer Blind Test thread from Gearspace
https://gearspace.com/board/gear-shoot- ... a8000.html
Focusrite Solo - DR : 108dB, THD : < 0.002%
Focusrite Clarett 2 Pre - DR : 118/119dB, THD : 0.001%
I love my Topping E50 as DA. Only $200, DR 126dB + THD : 0.00009%, ASIO 768kHz / DSD support.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru ... dac.26219/
If you don't like those numbers, trust your ears.
Here is Lynx vs Behringer Blind Test thread from Gearspace
https://gearspace.com/board/gear-shoot- ... a8000.html
