Auto-Tune inventor Dr. Andy Hildebrand wins Grammy and celebrates with limited time promo price

[revvy]

Urs, read who you’re aligned with, and weep.

[jens]

And among all this, I repeat that this is my opinion. I'm not assuming authority in any way, I just have a few thoughts that seem sound to me, but I'll happily accept the opposite if I'm wrong.

Of course it's just your opinion. And yet you basically just claimed that "[musical] artistry" is not worth anything anymore because of Autotune - which is 'ne steile These, to say the least.

I think the music-industry is much more where it's at because before their decline, all the major companies treated artist like products they can exploit any way they like.

[Urs]

Urs, read who you’re aligned with, and weep.

Who I'm aligned with? Who I shit on?

What's next?

What I better think or else?

[Scotty]

I've heard all kinds of reasons for the supposed decline of modern music. To me the most salient one is "f**k I'm getting old and I can't relate to this shit". Fair enough. Most of us will get there sooner or later.

[revvy]

Urs, read who you’re aligned with, and weep.

Who I'm aligned with? Who I shit on?

What's next?

What I better think or else?

You’re aligned with the folks in this thread claiming mo decent music has been written in the last 40 years and that AT is the devil.

You shit on Antares and anyone who uses AT as they are, according to you, responsible for the define in music and reduced sales.

No idea what your last sentence means, sorry.

[DCrown]

I've heard all kinds of reasons for the supposed decline of modern music. To me the most salient one is "f**k I'm getting old and I can't relate to this shit". Fair enough. Most of us will get there sooner or later.

Well, when I was young I listened to current releases and to music that was released up to 35 years before my birth (classical even older!). My parents or older people or most of the people I knew also had this listening habit. Today I am medium age and it's hard to find new releases that I really enjoy today. Your post is also more or less a standard reply trying to hide the fact that most of today's music isn't that good, not saying everything was great back in the day.

Autotune overuse and the overuse of distressor primarly (overcompressing) definitely have supported decline.
And that's why they were rewarded?
Were SM58, Lexicon LX480, the wah pedal, U87, Linn Drum, Dunlop plecs, Klanghelm MJUC etc rewarded? , maybe, I don't know
They deserve it way more

[El°HYM]

Urs, read who you’re aligned with, and weep.

Who I'm aligned with? Who I shit on?

What's next?

What I better think or else?

You’re aligned with the folks in this thread claiming mo decent music has been written in the last 40 years and that AT is the devil.

You shit on Antares and anyone who uses AT as they are, according to you, responsible for the define in music and reduced sales.

No idea what your last sentence means, sorry.

Please calm down a bit. Different opinions can still be exchanged using good manners.

[revvy]

Urs, read who you’re aligned with, and weep.

Who I'm aligned with? Who I shit on?

What's next?

What I better think or else?

You’re aligned with the folks in this thread claiming mo decent music has been written in the last 40 years and that AT is the devil.

You shit on Antares and anyone who uses AT as they are, according to you, responsible for the define in music and reduced sales.

No idea what your last sentence means, sorry.

Please calm down a bit. Different opinions can still be exchanged using good manners.

My post is fine, thanks. Absolutely chilled here. Urs doesn’t need Sir Galahad helping, I’m sure.

[jens]

@Urs
The decline started in 1990s with daws, soon everyone could all of sudden produce music. At first glance it sounds nice that everyone can produce music on a small budget. Today we have 100.000 new audio uploads every day. It would take a whole life to listen to every track of one day only.
Back in the day you could easily listen to all new releases of a week on a weekend.
So it's kinda paradox that you develop plugins for daws and herby support the system knowing your views now, I know it's not your aim to support bad or soulless music productions.
There's still good music today, but not that easy to find, music is a mass product today.
It's like a lot of people have become car producers, but lots of cars with brakes not working properly, with faulty steering or some even forgot to add wheels.
It's more difficult to produce a car than one might think.

Oh, boy!

Back in the day it was the record companies who decided what music was avalaible
and productions were super-expensive, so they funded these and at the same time drove the artists into
debt with it which made it easier for them to control them. Talent was not as important to get a name as it is today, because a) those big studios were brilliant at polishing turds (and they worked weeks or even months on it, splicing tape, punching in, overdubbing like there's no tomorrow; and b) the companies spent at lot of dosh for marketing these turds. And even the really talented artists often were hammered into submission by their record companies, thus resulting in their work being artistically significantly inferior to what it could have become otherwise.

And how many complete albums of respected artists disappeared in the labels' archives forever, just because some suit decided it wasnb't comercially viable!?

And that is exactly the reason why so much fantastic music is coming out these days. The talented people (of which there are more than plently) can produce at home whatever they envision and then release it on their own.

[DCrown]

@Urs
The decline started in 1990s with daws, soon everyone could all of sudden produce music. At first glance it sounds nice that everyone can produce music on a small budget. Today we have 100.000 new audio uploads every day. It would take a whole life to listen to every track of one day only.
Back in the day you could easily listen to all new releases of a week on a weekend.
So it's kinda paradox that you develop plugins for daws and herby support the system knowing your views now, I know it's not your aim to support bad or soulless music productions.
There's still good music today, but not that easy to find, music is a mass product today.
It's like a lot of people have become car producers, but lots of cars with brakes not working properly, with faulty steering or some even forgot to add wheels.
It's more difficult to produce a car than one might think.

Oh, boy!

Back in the day it was the record companies who decided what music was avalaible
and productions were super-expensive, so they funded these and at the same time drove the artists into
debt with it which made it easier for them to control them. Talent was not as important to get a name as it is today, because a) those big studios were brilliant at polishing turds (and they worked weeks or even months on it, splicing tape, punching in, overdubbing like there's no tomorrow; and b) the companies spent at lot of dosh for marketing these turds. And even the really talented artists often were hammered into submission by their record companies, thus resulting in their work being artistically significantly inferior to what it could have become otherwise.

And how many complete albums of respected artists disappeared in the labels' archives forever, just because some suit decided it wasnb't comercially viable!?

And that is exactly the reason why so much fantastic music is coming out these days. The talented people (of which there are more than plently) can produce at home whatever they envision and then release it on their own.

Well, back in the day in most cases you had to be good or unique or talented to get a contract signed. Today it doesn't matter, everyone can upload his noise. 99% seem not to be very talented. That's the big difference!

Consider music business a company looking for employees and art is a business, too if you want to make a living.
You have to apply to get a job, to get a contract signed, to get support and prove that you are good.
Without Warner Bros supporting Prince, it took him 5 albums to get successful, they obviously believed in him, without Warner Bros maybe no one outside Minneapolis would know him and that is just one example. He had to work hard for his success. Today you just render and upload, well, hard to get even noticed amongst 100.000 uploads every day.
Of course a company will choose the best only, sometimes even some of the best did not get a job or contract.
That's business back in the day. Today music production or business is like carnival.

[pixel85]

Pff... using autotune to make a perfect pitch... boomers ancient ways of making music

imo the grammy should go to reggaeton 'artists' who use heavy autotune and they still manage to be out of tune (my neighbour is listening to this crap on his large bass-heavy speakers - this is why I know about it). Younger people around here seem to love autotuned out of tune vocals that sound like howling

[El°HYM]

Urs, read who you’re aligned with, and weep.

Who I'm aligned with? Who I shit on?

What's next?

What I better think or else?

You’re aligned with the folks in this thread claiming mo decent music has been written in the last 40 years and that AT is the devil.

You shit on Antares and anyone who uses AT as they are, according to you, responsible for the define in music and reduced sales.

No idea what your last sentence means, sorry.

Please calm down a bit. Different opinions can still be exchanged using good manners.

My post is fine, thanks. Absolutely chilled here. Urs doesn’t need Sir Galahad helping, I’m sure.

If me was Sir Galahad, I wouldnt have been that polite and instead just advised you to better inbox your tongue.

[revvy]

Self-important buffoon.

[jens]

Well, back in the day in most cases you had to be good or unique or talented to get a contract signed.

No.

So much junk got released, it's not funny anymore. The only difference to the junk of today is that it was better produced and marketed with often huge budgets once a suit decided it was commercially useful.

I wonder if you really believe the silly, wildly naive nonsense you post here.

[Urs]

Urs, read who you’re aligned with, and weep.

Who I'm aligned with? Who I shit on?

What's next?

What I better think or else?

You’re aligned with the folks in this thread claiming mo decent music has been written in the last 40 years and that AT is the devil.

You shit on Antares and anyone who uses AT as they are, according to you, responsible for the define in music and reduced sales.

No idea what your last sentence means, sorry.

I think you're conflating several things here.

My last sentence means that I do not appreciate being told what to think or which opinion to voice, or to voice an opinion at all if someone disapproves of it. IMHO implying some sort of consequence of doing so is that.

I do not think the tool itself is the issue. The issue is that its overuse has become "a thing", almost as if in certain cultures it is code to use this tool that way, as if one has to do it to belong.

I personally stopped listening to contemporary popular music channels (charts, radio, TV) since the majority of songs seemed to contain robot voices. This may be coincidental, but I sure think there's a relation. I do recall instances of people doing the same, so I'm just extrapolating a pattern and forming an opinion based on that.

Finding contemporary music that I like has become hard, tedious even, but I do find things. As such, I do believe that a lot of contemporary music is great. Not sure why my opinion somehow implies the opposite, unless being conflated ("aligned") in an unreflected way.

(I also remember now that there was another song using the Cher effect that I actually liked, but it was self referential to the method of production)