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Moose112 · Post by **Moose112** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:06 am

Is there anyway to record in real-time using the guitar rig plugin with cubase sx 2.2? I know you can record dry and then apply the plugin but it seems like i can't get the same feel of things when i record this way. I'm fairly new to computer recording and I just recently got both programs. I haven't really sat down and taken the time to learn the in's and outs of them yet so excuse my ignorance if this is something simple. Thanks in advance!!!

Chickenman · Post by **Chickenman** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:35 am

Depends on your S/card....

If you have crappy on board sound, you'll need asio4all
or something.

sergef50 · Post by **sergef50** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:38 am

You need to turn "Direct Monitoring" option off in the setting page, then load an empty audio channel and hit the litttle speaker button, (which is monitoring) also make sure your soundcards mixer doesnt have the input channel routed to the output so that will then route the input through the audio channel and out the master before its monitored.

Deric · Post by **Deric** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:39 am

Hi Moose112,
Guitar Rig (GR) records your guitar's signal clean - this is actually very handy as it allows you to modify your GR patch as much as you want later or try totally different patches and/or set-ups on your (clean) recorded signal. If you'd recorded the signal with, say, tons of distortion or whatever you'd be stuck with that as your basis and would only be able to further modify this effected signal.
Unless I've misunderstood is it that you want to hear the patch you've made/selected whilst recording? If so then move your mouse over your audio channel's loudspeaker icon (monitor) for the audio channel you chosen for your guitar - that way when you record you'll be hearing your guitars sound after GR has processed it.
If you still hear just a clean (dry) tone then check the settings on your soundcard/input-output device and ensure that it's monitoring the Output (post processing) as opposed to Input (pre processing). Hope this helps.
Deric.

Moose112 · Post by **Moose112** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:36 pm

Thank you for your speedy reponses guys! Unfortunately I still haven't resolved the issue. Deric you understood me correctly and I see where i should click on the loud speaker icon (monitor) except now i run into a couple different problems. When i open Guitar rig as a plugin in I can only click inside of guitar rig itself (ie. will not let me click on record or any other feature in cubase). Also the there is a terrible latency when using the monitor icon. I have a SB Audigy 2 sound card and when I use guitar rig as a stand alone I have have and extremely low latency (>2ms). How do I access the sound card settings to adjust this? I've looked everywhere but can't seem to find a simple settings page. Man I've got a lot to learn. Thanks again!

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:45 pm

You really need some type of asio drivers for your sound card, like aso4all or kx drivers. That, or get a better sound card.

Devon

Moose112 · Post by **Moose112** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:00 pm

DevonB wrote:You really need some type of asio drivers for your sound card, like aso4all or kx drivers. That, or get a better sound card.

Devon

I already have ASIO drivers installed. Thats what i'm using in guitar rig when run it as a stand alone and I have no issuses with latency. Are these drivers better? Basically all I'm trying to do is record the exact sound that I get when I use guitar rig as a stand alone.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:07 pm

If you can notice the latency, either you have your ASIO kicked up too high, or you're using ASIO Multimedia drivers or the other ASIO... I'm not awake yet to remember its name. Either way, keep that latency low like 6ms or less for real time.

Devon

Moose112 · Post by **Moose112** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:11 pm

When using Guitar rig as a stand alone I set the latency at 2 ms and it works great. Where do I adjust latency settings in cubase?

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:32 pm

For true asio, you'd only adjust it in the ASIO control panel for your card, and NOT in Cubase itself. If you adjust it in Cubase, you ain't using the right ASIO driver.

Devon

olepro · Post by **olepro** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:17 pm

You CAN reach the ASIO driver settings from Cubase.
Cubase will open your soundcarts ASIO panel if you do this.
Under Windows, you adjust the buffer size settings in the control panel for the
audio hardware (opened by clicking the Control Panel button on the VST Multitrack
page in the Device Setup dialog).

But it still needs that you use the ASIO for SB live drivers.
If all this don´t make any sense i really think you should use the time and read your documentation for cubase.
You will find info about soundcard settings in the getting started manual.

sergef50 · Post by **sergef50** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:46 pm

why dont you do as i say and record guitar into cubase, then with guitar rig as an insert on your audio channel?

Moose112 · Post by **Moose112** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:40 pm

olepro wrote: You CAN reach the ASIO driver settings from Cubase.
Cubase will open your soundcarts ASIO panel if you do this.
Under Windows, you adjust the buffer size settings in the control panel for the
audio hardware (opened by clicking the Control Panel button on the VST Multitrack
page in the Device Setup dialog).

Ok well I got the latency issue resolved. Thank you olepro for the walkthrough.... very helpful!

Now I just gotta figure out how to get GR running in real time. When I open GR in cubase it doesn't even show a signal comming in. I can still hear my dry guitar sound from the line in but i want the processed sound so i can record it live. Also the only way i can get back to cubase is to close guitar rig. Is it even possible to do this? Seems like GR will only let me process dry sounds in cubase.

sergef50 wrote: why dont you do as i say and record guitar into cubase, then with guitar rig as an insert on your audio channel?

Well I'm mostly using GR for the speaker sims. I run a line out from my amp to a preamp then into my computer. When i record it dry and then apply the speaker sims and effects it just seems to lose something IMO. Doesn't have the same feel if you know what i mean. It's probably cuz when I record dry the tone sounds like crap and i put no emotion into my playing. So this is why I want to run GR in real time.

and THANK YOU to everyone who has tried to help me out! It is greatly appreciated!!!

Deric · Post by **Deric** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:05 pm

I'm using GR as an Insert (click on the '+' sign on the guitars audio channel on the far left of the screen) right-click in an empty 'insert slot' when Cubase opens the Inserts, then choose GR.
Click on the 'e' to bring up the GR interface, choose a noisy preset (so you know you're working) and make sure the Monitor (louspeaker icon) is that nasty brown-ish colour.
Start recording - you should hear your guitar through GR. When you've recorded enough press stop, then click on the monitor icon again - so that it goes white again. Then play back your masterpiece.
Ps. Have you tried the tapedeck on GR yet? It's really quick and great for putting down quick ideas and saves them with a Date/Timestamp! It saves them as .wavs so you could import them into, for example, a Cubase project!
See how you get on with the above.
Deric.

Moose112 · Post by **Moose112** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:59 pm

Deric.....I followed your instructions and everything went smooth right up till the part where i'm supposed to hear my GR processed sound. I still only hear my dry sound and GR shows no signal comming in. What now?

NI Guitar Rig & Cubase SX 2.2... Record in real-time?