MTurboDelay Delay Gain Boosting Input

[Hexspa]

I'm having a challenge with MTurboDelay in that the 'Delay Gain' knob is boosting the input signal and I can't get the delays loud unless the input is too loud. Is anyone using this plugin successfully? I've mainly been using MDelayMB. Thanks.

[jmg8]

You could set it to 100% wet and use it on a send. This way you would get complete control over the wet signal.

[Hexspa]

You could set it to 100% wet and use it on a send. This way you would get complete control over the wet signal.

Thanks. This is true but sometimes I'd like to use it serially. Plus, using Delay Gain seems to boost the dry signal too. Like, this thing is broken I think.

Is there any difference between delay gain and delay input? Maybe delay gain is delay output after saturation and fx? The help says the same thing.

[jmg8]

Delay Gain should not boost DRY. If you see that in any device please report it here and I will fix that.
Delay Gian is an input gain to boost the level of the WET signal.
Delay Input is used if you want to send the signal into the delay temporarily. For example, if you wish to add delay to only one word in a sentence, you would automate this.

[Hexspa]

Alpha device, if you put the XY puck toward any deactivated A-D delay and turn up Delay Gain, the input signal comes through and is boosted. I think that's the issue - me not realizing that there was an XY pad in the center of these bands. Still, it seems weird that having any of these devices set to Off (B-D in the case of this preset) would pass direct signal and boosting Delay Gain boosts direct sound if Delay Input is also set to be non-silence. When the device is active, no direct sound comes through (A in the case of this preset). Also, having two gains for the delay seems redundant and confusing but I kind of doubt anyone will remove this feature now; I've never seen another delay plugin with two gains for the wet signal. Please try it and/or let me know if I'm doing something wrong:

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Thanks.

[jmg8]

There are 2 delay gains because we added the second one later (it goes to silence) but can't remove the first one due to backwards compatibility.

I tested Alpha device and it worked as expected. If the "Dry/Wet" knob is at 0% (only dry) then the "Delay gain" has no effect.
The 4 delay lines are replaced with a non-delayed signal if disabled so that there will always be something to mix between with the XY pad. This is just the way it was designed, plus we need to keep the design as it is to retain backward compatibility.

[Hexspa]

There are 2 delay gains because we added the second one later (it goes to silence) but can't remove the first one due to backwards compatibility.

I tested Alpha device and it worked as expected. If the "Dry/Wet" knob is at 0% (only dry) then the "Delay gain" has no effect.
The 4 delay lines are replaced with a non-delayed signal if disabled so that there will always be something to mix between with the XY pad. This is just the way it was designed, plus we need to keep the design as it is to retain backward compatibility.

Thanks for your reply. It's starting to make more sense. My only other question at this time is about whether the A-D delays are supposed to sound different. If you try this patch, you'll notice that A and D are the most different and B and C are more similar; all despite having identical settings. I didn't see anything in the help so maybe you can shed some light on this. It's perhaps easier to tell if you sum the monitoring to mono. Thanks.

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[jmg8]

They should sound the same. I will investigate this, thanks.
BTW, pasting the code doesn't seem to work at the moment (here in Ableton). It looks like a bug, I'll check that too.

[jmg8]

Where did you generate this code? I am pasting it into MTD, right?

[Hexspa]

Where did you generate this code? I am pasting it into MTD, right?

Hi JMG8. Maybe I messed up the copypasta. Here's a new batch:

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Failing that, it's a simple test: Alpha Device, Dry/Wet 50%; Delay Input, Delay gain, Output all 0.00dB, everything else default. The only changes are set A-D delay modules to the same value, Straight 1/16th x 1 50% feedback, for example, all of them Enabled. Move the puck to A, B, C, D, listening to each. Note how A sounds most different, B and C sound similar and D is slightly different from B and C. This funky A module is probably the main reason I opened a complaint here because the delay signal on it is super weak relative to the others. In fact, it sounds more like a reverb.

Thanks for looking into this. MTD seems like a cool plugin but I got frustrated tripping over the first hurdle! Thank goodness for MDelayMB for now

[jmg8]

I can confirm you are correct. I took a look inside and the gains got a bit messed up. I have fixed it and it will hopefully be in the next update.
Thank you for reporting this

[Hexspa]

I can confirm you are correct. I took a look inside and the gains got a bit messed up. I have fixed it and it will hopefully be in the next update.
Thank you for reporting this

Thanks for your attention and help!

[Hexspa]

Hi, I see that this was not in the 16.10 release so I'm just following up on whether this is still on the to-do list. Thanks.

[jmg8]

Hi, I see that this was not in the 16.10 release so I'm just following up on whether this is still on the to-do list. Thanks.

Hey, I just checked this one and it seems that it is already fixed and released. Are you referring to the ABCD sounding different? They sound the same to me. Thanks

[Hexspa]

Hi, I see that this was not in the 16.10 release so I'm just following up on whether this is still on the to-do list. Thanks.

Hey, I just checked this one and it seems that it is already fixed and released. Are you referring to the ABCD sounding different? They sound the same to me. Thanks

Oh cool, I'll check. I was waiting to see something in the release notes but maybe I missed it. Please give me a day or so. Cheers.