Any benefit powering interface directly rather than via USB/computer?
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- KVRAF
- 8738 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
Was thinking I might get a separate power supply for my Steinberg UR22C, after all it's just a cheap phone PSU/charger apparently. It would give me benefit of being able to play around without laptop hooked up, which would be rare admittedly, but occasionally I just patch/play etc. I remember reading something about power via USB could potentially give noise & interfere with signal but it sounded a bit dubious to me at the time? Does powering via a USB port interfere with audio/data etc? I don't use a hub or anything - just direct to laptop.
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- KVRian
- 1353 posts since 29 Sep, 2012 from Minnesota
I have heard too many people talk about USB power noise issues to think it's made up.kritikon wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:35 pm Was thinking I might get a separate power supply for my Steinberg UR22C, after all it's just a cheap phone PSU/charger apparently. It would give me benefit of being able to play around without laptop hooked up, which would be rare admittedly, but occasionally I just patch/play etc. I remember reading something about power via USB could potentially give noise & interfere with signal but it sounded a bit dubious to me at the time? Does powering via a USB port interfere with audio/data etc? I don't use a hub or anything - just direct to laptop.
I think it needs fairly specific circumstances to occur like ungrounded computer PSU because I have yet to have an issue personally with the STVC. My computer sends power through the USB whether it's on or off so I used to play stuff through the USB-c powered MOTU M4 all the time.
Be wary of power feedback loops though. Like too many things interconnected via USB hubs.
- KVRAF
- 3842 posts since 5 Mar, 2004 from Millicent Australia
I have never hear what I could clearly say was USB power noise.
I do however hear issues that I think might be issues with mains hum (and other nasties) leaking into a USB microphone of a podcast client. I know it is mains hum bouncing about as it manifests at exactly 120Hz (60x2). I think his mic is (silly in the first place) either picking that up via his power supply being close or wires lying beside each other, or the USB plug is cracked. We had nasty digital noise bursts before when he ran it on a Hub (with god know what else).
Should you -dual-power as a result. NO, I don't think so. If anything you possibly increase the risk of interference. So simply make sure that your Computer has a good power supply and that you aren't overloading its USB bus with 13 LED lights, 43 MIDI controllers, a fridge, washing machine, and personal vibration-inducing pleasure insert dongle.

I do however hear issues that I think might be issues with mains hum (and other nasties) leaking into a USB microphone of a podcast client. I know it is mains hum bouncing about as it manifests at exactly 120Hz (60x2). I think his mic is (silly in the first place) either picking that up via his power supply being close or wires lying beside each other, or the USB plug is cracked. We had nasty digital noise bursts before when he ran it on a Hub (with god know what else).
Should you -dual-power as a result. NO, I don't think so. If anything you possibly increase the risk of interference. So simply make sure that your Computer has a good power supply and that you aren't overloading its USB bus with 13 LED lights, 43 MIDI controllers, a fridge, washing machine, and personal vibration-inducing pleasure insert dongle.
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- KVRAF
- 7118 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
I think risk for noise of various sorts is is higher for a lot of midi gear if those have their own midi over usb
- it will soon be a nest of different ways for ground to travel
- so sticking to din midi has been a save solution
But there are potential risks with audio over usb that certain usb ports on different parts of mb have more noise.
- just try another port if so
Some interfaces I saw used usb c connector just to be able to take 0.9A current instead of 0.5A on usb 2. For those I would maybe consider getting separate supply.
- it will soon be a nest of different ways for ground to travel
- so sticking to din midi has been a save solution
But there are potential risks with audio over usb that certain usb ports on different parts of mb have more noise.
- just try another port if so
Some interfaces I saw used usb c connector just to be able to take 0.9A current instead of 0.5A on usb 2. For those I would maybe consider getting separate supply.
- KVRAF
- 2982 posts since 31 Jan, 2003 from Ghent, Belgium
Having a separate power supply doesn't necessarily mean that the audio interface works standalone. I don't think the UR22C does.kritikon wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:35 pm Was thinking I might get a separate power supply for my Steinberg UR22C, after all it's just a cheap phone PSU/charger apparently. It would give me benefit of being able to play around without laptop hooked up, which would be rare admittedly, but occasionally I just patch/play etc.
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- KVRAF
- 35694 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Might be an issue with unbalanced cables, but, apart from that, I don't think it's much of a problem.Constructed Identity wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:25 amI have heard too many people talk about USB power noise issues to think it's made up.kritikon wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:35 pm Was thinking I might get a separate power supply for my Steinberg UR22C, after all it's just a cheap phone PSU/charger apparently. It would give me benefit of being able to play around without laptop hooked up, which would be rare admittedly, but occasionally I just patch/play etc. I remember reading something about power via USB could potentially give noise & interfere with signal but it sounded a bit dubious to me at the time? Does powering via a USB port interfere with audio/data etc? I don't use a hub or anything - just direct to laptop.
I never had an issue with it, with my 2 audio interfaces. While I had issues with interfering signals from the PC with unbalanced cables.
- KVRAF
- 5647 posts since 15 Dec, 2011
