Has Studio One Pro v6.5 Eclipsed Cubase Pro 12?

[Radio Silence]

I was a long, long time Logic user before switching to Cubase Pro around 10 to 15 years ago when I decided to build a couple of custom PC towers (one as my main music computer and another as a Vienna Ensemble slave PC). I now have hundreds of completed songs and song ideas in Cubase format. So switching to another DAW would be extremely painful.

But Studio One Pro just seems to get better and better while Cubase Pro languishes. All we seem to get with each incremental Cubase update are more useless, sub-par plugins and a few tweaks to existing features. But nothing like the complete rewrite that is necessary to bring the bloated Cubase into the modern age.

Studio One's workflow seems so far superior to that of Cubase that if I was just starting out I wouldn't give Cubase a second glance. I can't think of a single feature other than perhaps the far superior score editor in Cubase that is missing in Studio One.

Yes, Cubase includes its "Logical Editor" that a small percentage of users rely on for reasons that are incomprehensible to me. But the idea that Cubase includes far superior MIDI features hasn't been true for a decade or more.

I'd really like to know what I would be missing if I switched from Cubase Pro to Studio One Pro. For the life of me, I can't think of a single reason.

[concealed identity]

Well, everybody's workflow is different, and so they're going to use different features of a DAW compared to other users. This also means that each update will appeal to some users more than others. It seems to me that Steinberg's strategy is to kinda comprehensively update everything incrementally, while Presonus will put a lot of effort in appealing to a more specific part of their user base with each update. This probably results in everybody being kinda lukewarm on every Cubase update, while every Studio One update has people who are more intensely excited and disappointed.

[THE INTRANCER]

What's superior about Cubase's Score Editor over Studio One's? S1's Score Editor was updated in 6.5 and will probably have more features added from its Notator software too over it's life span.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

For sheer workflow alone - S1 is far and away the best choice. And this is coming from once "huge" Steinberg fan.

I once used Wavelab AND Cubase AND then Nuendo too. As soon as S1 came on my radar in late 2011 - I kept Wavelab but dropped the other two with no regrets when S1 v2 came out like 10 years ago.

Would never go back to Cubendo now.

VP

[chk071]

OP will be back soon. Don't worry.

[THE INTRANCER]

OP will be back soon. Don't worry.

I knew it just from the number of posts that were made in one day, but I could recognise the typing style as well. Still curious about my question since it was raised in the OP's post. Maybe he will get to the point with his new user profile lol.

[chk071]

I had a suspicion, but, wasn't sure. The original post seemed too "professional" for a new user.

[vurt]

I had a suspicion, but, wasn't sure. The original post seemed too "professional" for a new user.

in another post he said 'i just joined kvr' which seems to be his catchphrase from the last few ids.

[chk071]

I might be seeing things, but...

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[jancivil]

Yes, Cubase includes its "Logical Editor" that a small percentage of users rely on for reasons that are incomprehensible to me. But the idea that Cubase includes far superior MIDI features hasn't been true for a decade or more.

Features this one doesn't grok are not worthy features. This "argument" reduces to here, no problem. Waste of our time.

[C-note]

No... Cubase good - S1 Less good. Cubase Midi superior

[trusampler]

No, Studio One doesn't even have a smart browser close to Cubase / Nuendo's Mediabay. I wish Steinberg would sell Mediabay as a 3rd party plugin, since these other daw dev's can't seem to figure out how to to it.

[jamcat]

Studio One has done important things since v1.0 that Cubase still can’t do 15 years later. Like change the samplerate non-destructively on the fly. Or drag and drop a single preset or entire channel processing chain to the arrange window and automatically set up an appropriate audio or MIDI track with the instrument or audio effect(s) in place, armed, and ready to go.

But you want to talk about loop browsers?

[trusampler]

Loop browsers? No, how about tagging content.Try being a content creator who deals with audio on a daily basis, that you need to manage files in a smart way. You may use track presets for drums,vocals etc.. that tagging is essential. If you think Mediabay is simply a Loop Browser you are along way off. Or maybe its my name - trusampler - that makes you think of loops? Either way, I don't even want to bring up Midi and S1. Presonus still hasn't implemented sysex support. I use S1, and have since the beginning V1.

Cubase simply is not dethroned by S1,and I doubt it ever will be as the same dev's who code for S1 code for Cubase and Nuendo. Hence which is why I wish they would add that Loop Browser you call it to S1.

[jamcat]

Well, I will say this. I understand different people have different needs, and use their software in different ways. I don't do much media file searching in Studio One. I don't use any SysEx. These aren't things I would even give a moment's consideration to. But I do switch between 48kHz and 96kHz a lot, depending on if I'm tracking, mixing, or exporting audio. Cubase can't handle that, and that is a total dealbreaker for me.

I used to use Cubase back before Studio One (I've also been using Studio One since V1.) Switching from 96kHz to 48kHz for mixing meant I had to make a backup of all of my audio files first, because Cubase does a destructive samplerate conversion on your files if you change your samplerate. As soon as you hit OK, your original files are destroyed. Gone without warning. When switching back to 96kHz for mixdown, Cubase will convert your downsampled files back to 96kHz. So you need to go in and swap out those twice converted files with your backups of your original 96kHz audio.

That one thing was enough for me to leave Cubase for Studio One.

When I do need to bring a media file into Studio One, I just browse my hard drive with the MacOS Finder (or Windows Explorer), and drag&drop from the folder straight into Studio One. If I needed tags for searching, Mac OS does that. But it's just not something I need to do very often. I just assume people are using MediaBay for loops, because if you're recording your own audio in your songs, you don't need to search your computer for it. From what I've seen in casual discussions on KVR, it seems like loops are the main thing people are searching for in MediaBay, followed by presets.