IK Releases TONEX ODS Legends

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

A Signature Collection of Tone Models capturing 4 Dumble Overdrive Special amps



IK Multimedia releases the ODS Legends Signature Collection for TONEX. The first in a new series of Signature Collections, ODS Legends offers guitarists instant access to 4 priceless Dumble Overdrive Special amplifiers.

Found behind many of the world’s best players including Robben Ford, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Larry Carlton, David Lindley, John Mayer and more, the Overdrive Special easily fetches 6 figures when a rare example goes to auction. Also included as a bonus are Tone Models of 2 legendary overdrive pedals: a Silver Klon Centaur and an early '80s Ibanez TS808.

IK had the exclusive opportunity to capture each of these incredible amps while they passed through the world-famous Ocean Way Studios in Nashville, Tennessee, a studio renowned for its superior recording facilities and long history of hosting legendary musicians. All amp and pedal settings were dialed in by tone experts to a variety of sweet spots from clean to overdrive and meticulously captured in between recording sessions.

This collection of 20 Tone Models recreates the very essence of these vintage treasures and makes them finally accessible to all discerning tone aficionados. Utilizing IK's cutting-edge AI Machine Modeling Technology in conjunction with the Ocean Way's sonically perfect environment has produced incredible results available now for purchase and download.

Pricing and Availability

ODS Legends Signature Collection is available now to purchase via ToneNET and within any version of TONEX for Mac/PC for a limited-time introductory price of $/€49.99* (reg. $/€99.99). The collection is also included with new purchases of TONEX Pedal made from November 01, 2023, through December 31, 2023, for $/€399.99.

*All pricing excluding taxes.

For more information about ODS Legends Signature Collection and to hear the tones, please visit: www.ikmultimedia.com/tonex-odslegends

[JohnRosso]

Does it have DI\amp only captures to use with different IR? Or full rig only?

[doctormix]

One of the cool unique things of TONEX Tone Models is that even if the capture of the amp are made with the cabinet, the AI Machine Modeling is able to isolate it and treat it separately so you can switch it off and have just the sound of the amp or swap the cabinet with another Tone Modeled cabinet, an IR or an AmpliTube volumetric IR (VIR). This way you are getting both from this ODS Legend signature collection and from any other Tone Model of amp + cabinet in TONEX.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Does it have DI\amp only captures to use with different IR? Or full rig only?

These are full rig but as noted above you can remove the cab to swap it out / replace it with an IR etc.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Ah and I didn't include this in the original post, the intro video to ODS Legends:


Edit - which is a guitar plugged into TONEX Pedal and its outputs are run to AXE I/O, so a fairly modest setup can sound pretty fantastic.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Peter, is IK going to comment on Joe Bonamassa's posts? I'm willing to hear IK's version of events out but this is not a good look for IK Multimedia at all.

Looks like Joe Bonamassa himself is pretty PO'd at IK Multimedia for this. This is coming directly from Banamassa on his Twitter/X:

https://twitter.com/JBONAMASSA/status/1 ... 3962726666

It is such a coincidence that I happen to own all four of these amps but the information on your website doesn't say who's amps or settings they are. Could there have been two identical sets
@ikmultimedia
? Just asking for a friend who is curious.

https://twitter.com/JBONAMASSA/status/1 ... 8805251118

First of all... These are my amps. They attempted to model them early this year. After hearing what they came up with i decided not to get into business with IK multimedia
@ikmultimedia
This is beyond not cool and extremely dishonest, disrespectful and disappointing. ������

https://twitter.com/JBONAMASSA/status/1 ... 9693555121

Haaaa! I would love nothing more than to share these amps. Unfortunately you would not be getting anything close to a Dumble by buying this product. This is why I ended my relationship with them.
@ikmultimedia

https://twitter.com/JBONAMASSA/status/1 ... 5186714961

Again to clarify.
@ikmultimedia
does not have my permission nor my approval to release this product. These are my amps and my settings. I could not in good conscience put my name on this product when I heard the models. They are not accurate nor do they sound good.

I'd love to hear IK's side of the story on this, but it's not a good look at all. The guy lent IK his amps for profiling, sounding like there was going to be an artist pack (that's how I'm reading into it anyway and my own take), then he didn't approve but IK released the profiles anyway without his endorsement or crediting him. Again just my own reading of this situation based on what Joe's posted on X. That doesn't feel right. I'm willing to hear IK's side of this but oof...

And I'll note: I've done enough TONEX profiles to know that what you put in is what you get out. If Joe didn't like the tones, maybe he didn't like the recording (mics/placement), maybe he wasn't gain staging properly into TONEX when he auditioned them, etc. Sounds like he should've been in the room when the models were being made. But to release the profiles of his amp without his permission is a bad look.

[zerocrossing]

Peter, is IK going to comment on Joe Bonamassa's posts? I'm willing to hear IK's version of events out but this is not a good look for IK Multimedia at all.

Looks like Joe Bonamassa himself is pretty PO'd at IK Multimedia for this. This is coming directly from Banamassa on his Twitter/X:

https://twitter.com/JBONAMASSA/status/1 ... 3962726666

It is such a coincidence that I happen to own all four of these amps but the information on your website doesn't say who's amps or settings they are. Could there have been two identical sets
@ikmultimedia
? Just asking for a friend who is curious.

https://twitter.com/JBONAMASSA/status/1 ... 8805251118

First of all... These are my amps. They attempted to model them early this year. After hearing what they came up with i decided not to get into business with IK multimedia
@ikmultimedia
This is beyond not cool and extremely dishonest, disrespectful and disappointing. ������

https://twitter.com/JBONAMASSA/status/1 ... 9693555121

Haaaa! I would love nothing more than to share these amps. Unfortunately you would not be getting anything close to a Dumble by buying this product. This is why I ended my relationship with them.
@ikmultimedia

https://twitter.com/JBONAMASSA/status/1 ... 5186714961

Again to clarify.
@ikmultimedia
does not have my permission nor my approval to release this product. These are my amps and my settings. I could not in good conscience put my name on this product when I heard the models. They are not accurate nor do they sound good.

I'd love to hear IK's side of the story on this, but it's not a good look at all. The guy lent IK his amps for profiling, sounding like there was going to be an artist pack (that's how I'm reading into it anyway and my own take), then he didn't approve but IK released the profiles anyway without his endorsement or crediting him. Again just my own reading of this situation based on what Joe's posted on X. That doesn't feel right. I'm willing to hear IK's side of this but oof...

And I'll note: I've done enough TONEX profiles to know that what you put in is what you get out. If Joe didn't like the tones, maybe he didn't like the recording (mics/placement), maybe he wasn't gain staging properly into TONEX when he auditioned them, etc. Sounds like he should've been in the room when the models were being made. But to release the profiles of his amp without his permission is a bad look.

Joes sounds like an a-hole. If you think the captures are good, buy them. If you don’t like them, don’t buy them. They’re not saying they’re Joe’s captures, and if he thinks that he uniquely owns the settings he uses, he’s delusional.

For years I was using pitch shifters on my guitars to create granular washes in ambient soundscapes. A few years later, I saw Robert Fripp getting more or less the same sorts of sounds from his gear, though he had better quality gear than I did. Anyway, I didn’t complain, because a) he obviously came up with the same sound on his own, and b) he made it his own by using his own style.

Every one who buys these captures is going to have a different style of playing, different guitars, pickups, other effects, etc. maybe some will attempt to get his exact tone, but that has been going on since the birth of guitars. IK Multimedia does not owe Joe an explanation.

[imrae]

I would think the issue is that he does own some rare and valuable amplifiers, and doesn't generally let people record with them for free?

[jamcat]

My guess is it came down to money. IK did the captures and owns them, obviously. It sounds like originally it was going to be an endorsement deal, where Joe would get a cut of each sale, in addition to whatever he was paid to rent them to produce the captures.

We know from previous AmpliTube signature editions, such as Joe Satriani, IK will work with the artist until they are happy with the results. So I’m sure IK would have done the same with Joe Bonamassa if that was the case.

I find it odd, too, that TONEX is apparently able to completely capture every amp except for Dumbles. They must really be magic. Either that or Joe Bonamassa wanted more money for his endorsement and IK told him they didn’t need it because Dumbles will sell themselves, so now he’s just trying to sabotage it.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Joes sounds like an a-hole. If you think the captures are good, buy them. If you don’t like them, don’t buy them. They’re not saying they’re Joe’s captures, and if he thinks that he uniquely owns the settings he uses, he’s delusional.

For years I was using pitch shifters on my guitars to create granular washes in ambient soundscapes. A few years later, I saw Robert Fripp getting more or less the same sorts of sounds from his gear, though he had better quality gear than I did. Anyway, I didn’t complain, because a) he obviously came up with the same sound on his own, and b) he made it his own by using his own style.

Every one who buys these captures is going to have a different style of playing, different guitars, pickups, other effects, etc. maybe some will attempt to get his exact tone, but that has been going on since the birth of guitars. IK Multimedia does not owe Joe an explanation.

These aren't his settings, they're his actual amps that he provided to them explicitly for this purpose! None of us know what the details of their arrangement was, but it's not a good look that Joe's putting out his version of this and complaining and IK is silent.

Based on what Joe is saying, it would be like if IK approached you and were like, "hey, we want to make a zerocrossing plugin using models of your actual gear, so send your gear to us so we can make profiles of it" and you agreed. You even told them what the magic zerocrossing settings were. Then you heard the output and were like, "no, this sounds all wrong to me - I don't know what you did wrong but this doesn't sound like my gear at those settings at all." Then they said, "well, screw it, we're releasing it anyway and taking your name off it", you may feel differently. And we're not talking about making algoirthmic models of your gear, we're talking about Machine Learning profiles, which is more akin to sampling.

Based on what Joe posted, that's how I'm reading this chain of events.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

My guess is it came down to money. IK did the captures and owns them, obviously. It sounds like originally it was going to be an endorsement deal, where Joe would get a cut of each sale, in addition to whatever he was paid to rent them to produce the captures.

We know from previous AmpliTube signature editions, such as Joe Satriani, IK will work with the artist until they are happy with the results. So I’m sure IK would have done the same with Joe Bonamassa if that was the case.

I find it odd, too, that TONEX is apparently able to completely capture every amp except for Dumbles. They must really be magic. Either that or Joe Bonamassa wanted more money for his endorsement and IK told him they didn’t need it because Dumbles will sell themselves, so now he’s just trying to sabotage it.

It's hard to comment without knowing the details of their arrangement. Maybe Joe's getting paid anyway despite his name not being on it. If yes, then that's less offensive and IK should put that out there. "Joe Bonamassa has been compensated as agreed upon and we are not using his name or seeking his endorsement. It was Joe himself that associated his name with this prodct." But if he lent them his gear with the intent of making an artist pack he had sign off on, then they released his gear without his sign off and without compensating him, that would be a problem.

It's hard to tell when you're only getting one side of the story. I could easily see this turning into litigation, which might be why IK doesn't want to comment, but that's just more bad PR on top of bad PR.

[jamcat]

Joe didn’t get to where he is by being naive. He didn’t just send off his amps on a promise. There was a contract in place that spelled out everyone’s rights and responsibilities. Joe clearly chose to not exercise his option to endorse the product for a cut of the profits. But surely that was in there, and surely the contract stated that IK retained the right to release the product without his endorsement, should he pass.

You also don’t get to where IK is by not covering all your bases legally.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Joe didn’t get to where he is by being naive. He didn’t just send off his amps on a promise. There was a contract in place that spelled out everyone’s rights and responsibilities. Joe clearly chose to not exercise his option to endorse the product for a cut of the profits. But surely that was in there, and surely the contract stated that IK retained the right to release the product without his endorsement, should he pass.

You also don’t get to where IK is by not covering all your bases legally.

You would think! But it's speculation.

And if that were the case, IK could just easily sue for defamation for Joe claiming they were being dishonest if there was a contract spelling it out. We have no clue what the details of the arrangement were. I don't think we'll ever know that unless this somehow went to trial, which seems unlikely. But IK could [and should] get a statement out summarizing their version of this. If only for damage control.

All we know so far is Joe Bonamassa is pissed at IK and posting on Twitter painting them as the bad guys. Beyond that, we're just speculating. I hope it's not as bad for IK as Joe is making it seem. I love TONEX. I spent a LOT of hours this week after work and yesterday making free TONEX captures. I want to keep liking the product and not feel gross about it.

[jamcat]

I don’t think you’re going to see a statement from IK addressing anything to do with Joe Bonamassa. When they mentioned “many of the world’s best players including Robben Ford, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Larry Carlton, David Lindley, John Mayer and more,” they went out of their way to not mention Joe. Clearly this was not an oversight. I think it’s because they’re not in any way going to associate Joe with this product, which could open them up legally to Joe.

It’s unfortunate that they couldn’t get together on this, but ultimately it’s Joe who decided that, for reasons that are entirely his own. That shouldn’t torpedo IK’s investment in the development of the product, or our access to being able to benefit from it.

The Sex Pistols played with equipment stolen from David Bowie and the New York Dolls, so using Dumbles stolen from Joe Bonamassa can only lend your music punk rock cred.

[VOODOO U]

If Joe has any contractual disagreement with IKM, I fail to see how Twitter can solve it.