Groove template and pool

[borez]

Can we talk about the lack of Groove templates and pool in Bitwig.

I mean, I love this Daw but I can't live with straight grooves on drums any longer, especially on Breakbeat and hip hop production, it just doesn't drive enough and I'm not feeling the built in shuffle at all. This is essential for dance music production IMO.

I'm thinking of shifting back to Ableton for the time being to be honest. And I don't really want to.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[nowiamone]

Can we talk about the lack of Groove templates and pool in Bitwig.

I mean, I love this Daw but I can't live with straight grooves on drums any longer, especially on Breakbeat and hip hop production, it just doesn't drive enough and I'm not feeling the built in shuffle at all. This is essential for dance music production IMO.

I'm thinking of shifting back to Ableton for the time being to be honest. And I don't really want to.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

I guess you already did, but if not, please forward what you wrote to Bitwig.
I think it adds quite some urgency to your feature wish, when stating that you might actually switch back to Ableton. Not that this type of rhethoric is "needed" to convince them - they might hear that a lot actually from a lot of people for all kinds of features.
But: if it’s the truth, i also see no reason for not mentioning that one might leave Bitwig due to a missing feature.

Concerning the topic of grooves: Polarity did some videos where he builds grid patches to enable a nice groove / groove versatility.
But yea... as always, i prefer solutions beyond the grid.
Be it audio to midi, groove pool, or global scale settings... all of those are just SO Much more smooth when being part of the DAW, via shortcuts, a whole groove list, even within each clip, etc. , compared to fiddly grid stuff.

[borez]

Yes, I've already sent stuff to Bitwig about this. I've watched the Polarity videos and was already experimenting in the grid with similar but it's a bit of a hit and miss workaround, far too convoluted to be doing in a working session to be honest. Like you said, it's needs to be part of the DAW.

I did get a reply from the Bitwig team today saying that it's on their "wishlist for future consideration." So it's not even passed the consideration stage yet I guess.

I guess back to Ableton I go for a while with the professional dance projects and studio DJ sessions


I'll still use Bitwig for my ambient projects though where the groove is not so mission critical.

[pdxindy]

Can we talk about the lack of Groove templates and pool in Bitwig.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Been on my top 3 list for a long time. It's not something Bitwig users generally ask for though. For example, on the Bitwish site, groove tools are not a popular request. I think it's around #50 on the list in terms of most requested.

[borez]

Can we talk about the lack of Groove templates and pool in Bitwig.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Been on my top 3 list for a long time. It's not something Bitwig users generally ask for though. For example, on the Bitwish site, groove tools are not a popular request. I think it's around #50 on the list in terms of most requested.

Bitwish is weird, you can only vote on 5 items. You'd think it would be higher with people who make dance music though, for sure. It's funny really, in the London based production classes I teach on Ableton and Logic Pro a lot of students are completely unaware that the groove feature is actually there or what it does, especially with Logic Pro. Maybe they're just used to ploddy beats

[JHernandez]

Yep, Bitwig needs this. I get by with finger drumming but for faster stuff, grooves I'm not able to do, experimenting, or just different drum machine specific grooves a Groove Pool like function would be very useful. It's another one of those things I'd expect to see in a DAW like Bitwig.

[Greenstorm33]

I'm convinced they've been laying the groundwork for better groove functionality with the improvements to onset detection and audio quantize functionality from 5.1.

[Fannon]

It's not a groove pool, but could you emulate this with tempo automation, e.g. via LFO with custom curves? Asking because I don't know.

[pdxindy]

It's not a groove pool, but could you emulate this with tempo automation, e.g. via LFO with custom curves? Asking because I don't know.

You can, but then tempo sync'ed fx etc. will get weird.

[Bobby L'Avenir]

Can we talk about the lack of Groove templates and pool in Bitwig.

I mean, I love this Daw but I can't live with straight grooves on drums any longer, especially on Breakbeat and hip hop production, it just doesn't drive enough and I'm not feeling the built in shuffle at all. This is essential for dance music production IMO.

I'm thinking of shifting back to Ableton for the time being to be honest. And I don't really want to.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

this, an arranger track and retrospective record/midi capture, been asking for years now. Love Bitwig though

[JoaCHIP]

I just bought Bitwig, and came here looking for how to do groove templates – also known as "groove patterns" in some DAWs. I often do rhythms inspired by african music, and the standard selection does not suffice.

So I guess I'm not the only one wanting it.

[slackhead]

I just bought Bitwig, and came here looking for how to do groove templates – also known as "groove patterns" in some DAWs. I often do rhythms inspired by african music, and the standard selection does not suffice.

So I guess I'm not the only one wanting it.

This is a big frustration for me too.
The standard groove function in Bitwig is OK for what it is, but you only have a single setting for the whole project - you can't apply different grooves to different clips / tracks, you can't create your own swing patterns and you can't extract grooves from pre-existing parts.
I've tried a couple of potential solutions using the grid that people have posted, but had very little success (but that might just be down to me).
I've sent in requests in the past and I am hopeful we will get something in the upcoming big update. Fingers crossed.

[JHernandez]

I just bought Bitwig, and came here looking for how to do groove templates – also known as "groove patterns" in some DAWs. I often do rhythms inspired by african music, and the standard selection does not suffice.

So I guess I'm not the only one wanting it.

I mention it often. Bitwig lacks groove, so you have to find ways to do it yourself. If I want human grooves I cant do myself I typically reach for midi grooves. I have some Toontrack stuff, so I do what I got to do. I also have melodyne which can extract midi from audio, if you're working with something clean/not too busy it can be useful.

I don't know if it's any good, I didn't look into it, but there's a free plugin called NeuralNote.

"NeuralNote is the audio plugin that brings state-of-the-art Audio to MIDI conversion into your favorite Digital Audio Workstation:" Might be useful to someone.

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/neuralnote-by-dr-audio

[stamp]

Guess it's time we all send a friendly reminder to the Bitwig team like I do once a year since I bought Bitwig...
support@bitwig.com

[_leras]

Can we talk about the lack of Groove templates and pool in Bitwig.

I mean, I love this Daw but I can't live with straight grooves on drums any longer, especially on Breakbeat and hip hop production, it just doesn't drive enough and I'm not feeling the built in shuffle at all. This is essential for dance music production IMO.

I'm thinking of shifting back to Ableton for the time being to be honest. And I don't really want to.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

It's a glaring omission for sure.

I've been getting quite good at drawing in my groove using shift and making small adjustments to push and pull the groove, works quite well alongside 'tuning' the side chain grooves - but it's not really a substitute.