Trigon-6 - how is it holding out for you - still finding new sounds?

[lfm]

Convenient with desktop module, so looking at what has been out for some time and had some firmware updates already.

Looking at reviews though, I am hesitant since it looks rather limited with lfo's and no mod matrix etc.
- even using one oscillator as lfo

What is on panel is what you get, as I understand it in modulations?
- so how soon does everything start to sound the same?

But well equipped with storage so no problem there it seems.
- not buying libraries, I like making own sounds

Daniel Fischer mean it's a performance synth, not having all the bells and whistles.

[cryophonik]

Yes, it’s very much a WYSIWYG type of synth with no mod matrix or menu diving and it’s limited to the modulation you see on the front panel. So, the limitations are obvious, but that doesn’t mean it’s limited - it covers a large range and has a huge sweet spot. Between the three 6-series (I have all of them), I’d say it’s probably the least limited primarily due to the extra oscillator/LFO, but my favorite is still the Prophet 6. I don’t see myself ever reaching the Trigon’s limits, but I’m primarily a musician/composer/ songwriter and secondarily a sound designer, so YMMV if you’re a sound designer. If you want something with far more range and modulation options, the Prophet Rev2 is a much better option.

[lfm]

Thanks.
Yes, third oscillator and the feedback thingy in filter intrigues a bit.
- and vintage and distortion and then voice panning
- and sounds really nice for sure

What I did not like looking at Loopop review was how voice panning worked
- so it did not start in middle with first voice used

Are there modes for voice panning to build from middle?
- to just suddenly get a single voice on hard left or hard right is awkward
- I remember Polybrute has

Nordlead has a similar approach with everything on panel, but they also have a gem in that each knob can have a range mapped to velocity.
- that would really be a no brainer for Trigon if it did
- you can fine tune each preset to be it's own instrument in how you play it

Doing the desktop possibly, and have another keyboard with aftertouch also, but still
- can you map like expression pedal to do the aftertouch part on panel?
- not just control amount AT, but the very midi CC it operatates on instead of AT?
- or map any midi CC over to AT part
- so you can use that part without AT on keyboard

On REV2 I set pitch wheel range to zero and use that as source as a controller that returns.
- so it does not affect pitch anymore but another modulator beside mod wheel
- AT on keyboard is rather rough than a wheel or pedal, no precision

[cryophonik]

No, there is no ability to assign different pan modes. It's either centered, or spread L/R (alternating voices) as you increase the pan spread width. As for remapping the expression pedals or MIDI CC's, to my knowledge, none of that can be done on the Trigon, so you'd need to remap CCs externally. Also, the two expression pedals are hardwired to volume and filter cutoff. The owner's manual is available on the website, so I'd suggest giving it a thorough read before making a decision so you're not surprised or disappointed.

The 6-series are not designed to be super flexible synths like the Rev2, PolyBrute, modern VAs, etc. They're really more of a modern vintage design that are focused on a WYSIWYG paradigm that sound great at what they are intended to do (i.e., represent Sequential's modern take on vintage Prophets, OBs, and Moogs). Sequential intentionally gave them some arbitrary and some not-so-arbitrary limitations to fit that vision, so you really have to be willing to accept that or you'll probably be frustrated and disappointed.

[lfm]

Many thanks for your insights.

I probably want more headroom to try ideas. Not a sound designer either, but get inspired by sounds to new music making.

The shape control on REV2 is very handy to bring out all sorts of harmonics even on triangle wave.
- so it's doing pulse width on every waveform with shape

Trigon at least have 3 oscillators and you can adjust in mixer strength on each waveform that way.
- a contender like TEO-5 only have this buttonmix on/off too
- and pwm is only from 50%-100%, so you cannot combine one waveform doing 70% with one doing 30% and similar.

A pity that pwm does not work like on REV2, on each waveform. And as you do on REV2 with 2 layers you have 4 oscillators basically and then shape on all of them.
- REV2 is such a masterpiece in so many regards

But windowshopping for new contenders is always fun too.

[cryophonik]

Many thanks for your insights.

I probably want more headroom to try ideas. Not a sound designer either, but get inspired by sounds to new music making.

You might want to do a quick search of this subforum and check out some of the examples that @CoolColJ has posted. He's a very good sound designer and has posted many examples of some of his Trigon 6 patches. Hopefully he'll see this thread and reply.

- REV2 is such a masterpiece in so many regards

I totally agree. It's gets way too much unfair (IMO) bashing because it has DCOs, but it's a synth that just delivers in so many ways. Honestly, if I had to choose just one analog synth to keep, it would be the Rev2 without hesitation.

[vitocorleone123]

Don’t have a T6, but I’m still finding new sounds from time to time on my OB-6 after… 5 years? With another Osc I’m sure the field is rich.

I’m also still finding new sounds on my SE-02 that has 3 oscillators and some limited xmod.

[lfm]

Don’t have a T6, but I’m still finding new sounds from time to time on my OB-6 after… 5 years? With another Osc I’m sure the field is rich.

I’m also still finding new sounds on my SE-02 that has 3 oscillators and some limited xmod.

Thanks.
It's a bit what I hope for it might work like that, just always finding new "rooms", kind of.
- You don't spend that money for a door stop, I mean.

With Prologue, although sounding really nice, the amount of timbres to get out of it became limited.
- shape control was really good help though on that one
- as were multi engine digital user oscillators

Polybrute I felt limited much quicker, even with the modulation options there.
- 2 oscillators with variable triangle-to-saw + pulse + metal on osc 1
- but only pwm on pulse

So only have REV2-16 desktop currently, and ever expanding finding new stuff.
- so not in a rush or anything

If I find a demo on Trigon-6 that really wow me, I might go for it.
- triangle seems limited just by itself
- combine triangle with various pwm on pulse probably
- since you cannot set level on each waveform to mix, that's it for one osc
- what I heard just triangle + saw was useless to my ears

But as said, a 3rd oscillator helps here, unless you need it for lfo.
- and the feedback thing and real analog distortion
- and a range of modulation on panel

[cryophonik]

Bumping this thread because I “found” 100 new sounds for my Trigon-6. Actually, I made them and I’m planning to sell this bank of presets after I get my video demo done. In the meantime, I’m looking for a Trigon-6 owner or two to help me QC the patch bank. If you’re a Trigon-6 owner who is interested and also have the Soundtower editor (a requirement), hit me up and I’ll send you a free version of the patch bank in exchange for your time to load and test the banks/patches.

[lfm]

Were there any fw updates lately?
- I suggested 6 months ago to fix to expression could be routed to AT section
- so allowing much more modulation options on the module
- if they might have gone for doing that?

Never felt AT is that essential. More modulations more so.

This year though I invested in other studio gear like preamps and mastering units etc.
- but next year if interesting enough synth could be an option