Does Dune 3 Have all the features of Dune 1? Anyone still hanging on to both?

[Touch The Universe]

Am hoping to hear some reason and sense to this topic.

Some people assume because Dune 1 and Dune 3 share the same name, each time it has been updated all features and sounds were preserved with each iteration.

Where do ya'll stand?

[Puduku]

Sound simply doesn’t compare. They sound drastically, incredibly different.

If someone can’t hear it, he needs to upgrade his monitors or his ears firmware.

They’re like totally different synths.

Dune 1 is like 1st chair. Dune 3 is like full orchestra.

I still have Dune 1, 2 and 3 installed.

[db3]

Dune 1 has a different architecture and less advanced sound engine to Dune 2.
Dune 2 presets can be loaded on Dune 3, so they essentially 'sound' the same.

[Gam456]

Not the same synth, similar to Atmosphere and Omnsiphere

[seafire]

You can reproduce any sound from D1 in D3, but you cannot load presets from D1 into D3.

[osiris]

I'm poor, so I still have DUNE 2.5 (but I do have and still use DUNE CM, which is almost the same.)

[THE INTRANCER]

I have Dune 1 on my PVR, but that's the 1984 film...

[Touch The Universe]

Fantastic - so sanity and reason exists in this world. I'll expand later on the differences but for now, the easiest to discern is simply the combination filters like LP/BP/HP which were my favorite filters in Dune 1. The legacy filters do not cover these, at all. I think they are merely LP filters.

This is an objective fact - not interpretation or subjective.

Therefore, the answer to the question of this topic isn't even up for debate - it's a matter of facts and objective reality - yet some don't see it as common sense clear cut as this.

Dune 1 has been updated twice already

No, they share the same name but Dune 1 had its own unique codebase. After it, post Dune 2 it was its own thing with the D.U.N.E concept expanded in its own iterative form though for some odd reason - some of the filters and FM knob and even distortion and the FX were modified in discernable ways - well to those who deep dip enough to discover them.

Anybody who has an appreciation for Dune 1 as its own separate synth is in good company and compliments to thy discernments.

[Oberheim 8000]

Dune 1 vs Dune 2 or 3 is different. Even unison or "density", in Dune 1, if I am right, is very different from unison for one oscilator in dune 2 - 3. I mean different in sounding. Although I like overall Dune 3. Dune 1 have some nice sounds like Barells (I can't remember the excat preset name) I was trying to replicate it in Dune 2. However, I was close, it doesn't sound nice as in Dune 1, due it have different FM, therefore cannot sound same from Dune 2 - 3.

It can be interesting to bring Dune 1 engine into 3 as option. There are filters from dune 1, but this is not enough, I mean the old density for unison, and that FM between two oscilator.

[seafire]

Do the FM in the MM, make sure you set to audio rate.

Job done.

[Teksonik]

I sold my DUNE 1 license on years ago and never looked back. DUNE 3 is simply a far superior synth in both quality and range of sounds.

Can D1 do some sounds that D3 can't match 100%? Perhaps but there is a nearly unlimited number of sounds that D3 can do that D1 couldn't even dream of matching.

If you you guys want D1 back that bad then go to the Synapse forums and express your opinion. I don't see enough interest in bringing it back to justify doing so. The fact that it would possibly take sales away from D3 is reason enough not to bring it back my opinion.

As for adding the D1 engine to D3, I'm certainly no expert in writing code but I'd wager a substantial bet that the work to do so (if it's even possible due to the different engines) would not be worth the man hours spent in terms of increased sales.

Personally I would rather Synapse use their time and talents to work on something new or on the continued development of Dune 3, Legend HZ, etc.

[Touch The Universe]

Do the FM in the MM, make sure you set to audio rate.

Job done.

Tell me honestly, did you sit each synth side by side and do a detailed comparison of the two?

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[Touch The Universe]

I sold my DUNE 1 license on years ago and never looked back. DUNE 3 is simply a far superior synth in both quality and range of sounds.

Can D1 do some sounds that D3 can't match 100%? Perhaps but there is a nearly unlimited number of sounds that D3 can do that D1 couldn't even dream of matching.

If you you guys want D1 back that bad then go to the Synapse forums and express your opinion. I don't see enough interest in bringing it back to justify doing so. The fact that it would possibly take sales away from D3 is reason enough not to bring it back my opinion.

As for adding the D1 engine to D3, I'm certainly no expert in writing code but I'd wager a substantial bet that the work to do so (if it's even possible due to the different engines) would not be worth the man hours spent in terms of increased sales.

Personally I would rather Synapse use their time and talents to work on something new or on the continued development of Dune 3, Legend HZ, etc.

Good points, but for some leads, I'd go to Dune 1, and I'm a huge lead guy, so...
Put for pads, plucks, and sequences etc, Dune 3 is brilliant-er

We've already tried to raise a stink over there - i too don't feel like it'll bear fruit, so no bother.
If Richard is worried it'll steal money from Dune 3 - then don't charge for it. Honestly, I'm happy with it as it, just don't let it die, lol. To maybe combine that with Hydra might be interesting though.

MOST IMPORTANTLY.

I realize we live in a world and have bills to pay - but when do THE ONLY THING that matters were sales - what about the simple love of creating a nice synth.

Maybe this thought is yound and naive - but surely such childlike innocency is still in the hearts of developers - i'm of the opinion you have to care about the sound to make a good one - before you know it, motivations change and you do the thing for money and not for love. Myself included for sound design - which even came at the cost of not making music either.

I'd rather be content and homeless and make good music/good synths then be "dead" inside motivated by money or other such vanities and trivialities as the ONLY reason ever to make or create. These are spiritual realities and concerns. Im not saying don't get paid, or work, we should all work, but ideally a balance should be had in love/money.

Is this going to help or be fruitful to anyone, not likely. Just my 2 c.

Note to self, make a video showing some differences between the versions. Especially distored leads with the LP/HP/BP combination filter tweaks and the FM. The differences really become apparent when exploring the depths of versatillity and dynamic action of the filters - just move that thing around and its more sharp and behaves in ways I have not matched in dune with nearly 400 hours of sound desing in it.

[Touch The Universe]

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Says the evil warlord -

The old things are beautiful because they are tried, true and tested and lasts.

I wonder if Rich would consider making that thing open sourced or something... hmm