Unsubscribing, relief and freedom

[OverBrightBlueLED]

I done a lot of unsubscribing from mail software outs having everything I need. There is a great sense of unchaining. I have everything I need to create and make music now and found the mail outs increasingly desperate and bottom of the barrel scraping. They were wearing me out.

Consider it, it is very freeing, freedom does not cost $2X.99

[enCiphered]

How do you keep track of updates without subscribing to mailing lists?

[OverBrightBlueLED]

A sense of freedom includes not worrying about that, music still gets made just the same.

[enCiphered]

I get the desire to reduce noise, that part makes sense.
But not worrying about updates only works if your workflow is static.

Mine isn’t.

Updates aren’t about chasing new toys, they’re about keeping what I already rely on working properly. Fixes, compatibility, stability. Ignoring that doesn’t remove problems, it just delays them.

I’d rather spend a few minutes staying informed than lose hours later fixing avoidable issues.

[mabian]

I hear you, most of the updates are anyway traced in facebook groups and here on KVR. And my mailbox appreciates it

[enCiphered]

Makes sense. For me it’s the opposite though, I’m not on social media much, so mail or in-app update notices are actually the least noisy option. Big fan of devs who handle updates directly inside their plugins.

[eLawnMust]

I use XP by choice so I have had everything I need for over 15 years, If I want anymore retro then ebay is a great place as people sell off their 'much better' music soft for newer crap that depends on updates... You see, in the past when there was CD/DVD distribution a company had to get everything right before releasing it so they had to work much harder & it had to work well on a cross-section of grim machines back then... So it was also more expensive than nowadays soft for those reasons....
Now because of the moronic prominence of the internet developers fling out their software in alpha & beta status for PAY to fix it down the road with 'updates' some of which can make things worse than better... This is the same with not just music soft but games & others as well...
Your 'new modern soft' is nothing special, it's just taking advantage of way more powerful machines the old soft is way more efficient... If you were to introduce modern soft back 20-25 years ago it would be considered 'junk' because nobody could run it...
Nobody has yet to explain the resource offset... Cubase VST24 3.7 had minimum req of 128 MB RAM & current cubase is what?... 8 GB RAM minimum? For WHAT?... Heating your home?... Burning up CPU?... What is there that takes 800+ times the RAM? OHhhhh... it sounds better, really?.. I have run Serum, SynthMaster, Harmor, Dune & others in VST24 3.7... Sounds great WTF?...

[enCiphered]

Modern DAWs don’t just do the same thing slower. They handle fundamentally different workloads: high-resolution GUI rendering (GPU-accelerated), unlimited undo histories, non-destructive editing everywhere, real-time time-stretching on every clip, offline bounce engines, advanced automation smoothing, sandboxed plugin hosting, crash recovery and multi-core scheduling. Cubase 3.7 didn’t even conceptually support most of this.

RAM today is used to avoid disk I/O and CPU stalls, not because the audio engine suddenly needs 800× more memory. Sample preloading, waveform caching, clip analysis, plugin state snapshots, GUI assets.. heck even background services all live in RAM by design because RAM is cheap and fast.

Old software was optimized for single-core CPUs, tiny RAM, slow disks. Modern software is optimized for parallelism and safety. Those goals trade raw minimalism for stability and scalability. Running on XP with one core ≠ running 300 tracks with real-time elastique, video sync, and 200 plugins.

ran Serum in VST24

proves nothing.
That only shows the plugin did the heavy lifting, not the host. Try freezing tracks instantly, switching sample rate mid-project, undoing 5 minutes of automation edits, running multiple audio engines in parallel.
Cubase 3.7 simply cannot do that.

And the CD/DVD argument is nostalgia bias.
Plenty of old software shipped broken or abandoned .People forget because there were no forums, no rapid updates and no expectations of fixes. Bugs were permanent, not “stable.”
Backward compatibility is the real cost.
Modern DAWs carry 20+ years of legacy support: old plugins, old projects, old workflows. That compatibility layer alone dwarfs the entire codebase of Cubase VST 3.7.

If modern software were junk... film, game, broadcast industries wouldn’t touch it.
They do because reliability at scale matters more than running on a Pentium III.

[jamcat]

How do you keep track of updates without subscribing to mailing lists?

https://www.kvraudio.com/kvr-studio-manager

[eLawnMust]

Modern DAWs don’t just do the same thing slower. They handle fundamentally different workloads: high-resolution GUI rendering (GPU-accelerated), unlimited undo histories, non-destructive editing everywhere, real-time time-stretching on every clip, offline bounce engines, advanced automation smoothing, sandboxed plugin hosting, crash recovery and multi-core scheduling. Cubase 3.7 didn’t even conceptually support most of this.

RAM today is used to avoid disk I/O and CPU stalls, not because the audio engine suddenly needs 800× more memory. Sample preloading, waveform caching, clip analysis, plugin state snapshots, GUI assets.. heck even background services all live in RAM by design because RAM is cheap and fast.

Old software was optimized for single-core CPUs, tiny RAM, slow disks. Modern software is optimized for parallelism and safety. Those goals trade raw minimalism for stability and scalability. Running on XP with one core ≠ running 300 tracks with real-time elastique, video sync, and 200 plugins.

ran Serum in VST24

proves nothing.
That only shows the plugin did the heavy lifting, not the host. Try freezing tracks instantly, switching sample rate mid-project, undoing 5 minutes of automation edits, running multiple audio engines in parallel.
Cubase 3.7 simply cannot do that.

And the CD/DVD argument is nostalgia bias.
Plenty of old software shipped broken or abandoned .People forget because there were no forums, no rapid updates and no expectations of fixes. Bugs were permanent, not “stable.”
Backward compatibility is the real cost.
Modern DAWs carry 20+ years of legacy support: old plugins, old projects, old workflows. That compatibility layer alone dwarfs the entire codebase of Cubase VST 3.7.

If modern software were junk... film, game, broadcast industries wouldn’t touch it.
They do because reliability at scale matters more than running on a Pentium III.

You missed the point... The developers have cleverly gotten users to accept software that is 'unfinished' by updating 'later on' I would like you to name specifically what CD/DVD releases were 'permanently damaged'... Certainly there were something here-there but it's insane nowadays...
None of the new improvements over the old make for better music output, in fact because of power machines people are producing more crap than ever before stringing together 'fat soundFX' with a single finger...
I didn't say modern software was junk, it just would've been junk BACK THEN!
No, Most modern DAWs do NOT support legacy at all... They are removing sampler formats, removing legacy generators (FL removes TS-404) (Ableton removed a buncha sampler formats) the list is long on that one... Many removing VST2 support so there's that as well...
So once again is everyone's music 800 times as good in current cubase than in VST24 from 1999?... Not a chance...
And let's not even get into having developers access to your software over the net... It's like a construction foreman having access to your bedroom at anytime whether you are home or not... Start telling them all to keep at it until the soft is done right THEN go and sell it like the old days...
I don't know what you are talking about I have Reason 2.5 & 3.0.4 & they have never crashed, ever as well as AXS tracker which is only a 352 KB EXE & has never crashed either, DreamStation I never crashed I could go on>>>

[mixyguy2]

How do you keep track of updates without subscribing to mailing lists?

I never subscribe to any email lists (and hate when it's forced on me) as I couldn't care less about updates. If what I have works and I like it, that's enough. Every so often I might browse around to see what's new out of mostly boredom, but that's it.

[seangm]

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[Dave_p]

Oddly enough, I send out mailers + I unsubscribe from mailers. Our company is fairly small, so I try to be pretty pertinent when sending a mailer. I don't want to waste anyone's time.

I can't stand the daily e-mails from the large firms, "It's xxxx 15th anniversary, look inside and save." No relevant information on the subject line, and hardly any relevant information in the content of the letter.

I want to know what you are offering, where to get it, and how much it costs. I don't really care for the fluff.

[Benedict]

I done a lot of unsubscribing from mail software outs having everything I need. There is a great sense of unchaining. I have everything I need to create and make music now and found the mail outs increasingly desperate and bottom of the barrel scraping. They were wearing me out.

Consider it, it is very freeing, freedom does not cost $2X.99

This is part of what I mean when I talk about the toxicity of DAWville: "increasingly desperate and bottom of the barrel scraping"

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I get the desire to reduce noise, that part makes sense.
But not worrying about updates only works if your workflow is static.

Mine isn’t.

Updates aren’t about chasing new toys, they’re about keeping what I already rely on working properly. Fixes, compatibility, stability. Ignoring that doesn’t remove problems, it just delays them.

I’d rather spend a few minutes staying informed than lose hours later fixing avoidable issues.

Set up and email account just for software emails, and change all company accounts to default to that. That way, it is kept away from the daily inbox, but is ready for you to deal with only when you're ready.