Starting a community for coders&non-coders/AI-assisted plugin development

[Transfigurationsofbeing]

Hi everyone.
​I’ve been building Juce plugins lately with the help of AI (mostly Gemini/Google AI Studio and Claude), and it’s been a game-changer for me. I’ve reached a point where I’m thinking: why not create a space –fb group and a forum– where we can share our plugins, collaborate on projects (both small and ambitious), and exchange ideas and experiences?
​I have zero programming knowledge, yet I’ve already managed to build some fx plugins. It’s actually much easier than I anticipated. Through a process of trial and error, I’ve even managed to implement some pretty innovative ideas, all without any paid AI subscriptions.
​I’d love to see if anyone is interested in joining forces. Does anyone have recommendations for a good forum host or platform to get this started? Where should we host our repositories? Also, I’m looking for a few people who might be interested in helping with moderation.
​While this might not be a "new" idea, the recent leaps in AI make this a perfect time to build a solid independent development community. Let’s start reducing our reliance on big corps and just make some cool stuff together.
​Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Ps. If there's enough interest and this gains some traction, I’ll set up a Facebook group and post the link here in an update.

[Teksonik]

​Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Trust me you are really not looking forward to hearing my thoughts.

Let’s start reducing our reliance on big corps

The thing you're missing is that many of the best plugins are created by small one or two person operations and some of those people I consider my friends.

Those people rely on plugin sales at least in part or in full to put food on the table for their families.

They put in the long hours and hard work of learning how to properly code so when someone comes along and brags about doing it the lazy way there are no words in the English language to convey my disdain for that person.

If I were to really tell you what I think I would almost certainly be suspended or banned so suffice it to say I hope you fail and I hope you go away to find some place else to pollute.

[kerfuffle]

Using AI *increases* your reliance on big corporations, since they're the ones providing the AI.

[Transfigurationsofbeing]

Using AI *increases* your reliance on big corporations, since they're the ones providing the AI.

This is not a communist-style post. I didn't mean that. I meant that sometimes prices are a little high for our budget, but above all: I meant that we always have ideas in mind, but we depend on whether they make such an idea a reality or not.

[oobesan]

Terrible. Would downvote into oblivion if KVR gave us the option.

[agharta]

Good luck and have fun with it.
Is this purely for personal use for plugins you develop yourself?
Or might you potentially distribute them freely or for money?

I've coded DSP apps in the past but not plugins.
I would have been interested in this 20 years ago but not now.
I might have kept an eye on it but don't use any Meta platforms.

[kernaudioio]

been building plugins for a few years now and AI has definitely been part of the toolkit for a while. the honest answer is it's useful for boilerplate, catching dumb mistakes, and talking through DSP ideas at 2am when nobody else is around. it doesn't replace knowing what you're doing though. the questions you have to ask it require you to already understand the domain reasonably well or you won't know if the answers are any good. the community idea is solid either way, more people shipping stuff and learning publicly is a good thing.

[telecharge]

This thread would probably be better served in the new ML/AI forum.

Machine Learning and AI for Music Creation - viewforum.php?f=316

[agharta]

This thread would probably be better served in the new ML/AI forum.

Machine Learning and AI for Music Creation - viewforum.php?f=316

Or in the DSP and Plugin development forum:
viewforum.php?f=33

[Transfigurationsofbeing]

Telecharge and agartha: thanks!

[Recourt]

Insert Clint Eastwood Gran Torino meme here.

[HAL76]

I really wonder what motivates people to devalue and fight things they don't understand.

Anyway. I've also created two small apps. Without the prompt whip and my directives for troubleshooting, I'd still be testing bug fixes today.

Are you familiar with VS Code? The editor with AI integration can save a lot of time.

I look forward to hearing more from you and maybe I'll join you somewhere!

[agharta]

I really wonder what motivates people to devalue and fight things they don't understand.

Maybe a knee jerk reaction based on this?

AI in general does pose some difficult questions and in the music sector there appears to be dubious attitudes towards copyright.
Plus there is concern about all the AI slop which will end up on Spotify etc and might eat away at paying jobs for composers.

So some people view all the AI music related stuff in the same negative way!
I see this thread primarily being aimed at hobbyists and in having limited impact on the professionals working in music.

[oobesan]

I really wonder what motivates people to devalue and fight things they don't understand.

Anyway. I've also created two small apps. Without the prompt whip and my directives for troubleshooting, I'd still be testing bug fixes today.

Are you familiar with VS Code? The editor with AI integration can save a lot of time.

I look forward to hearing more from you and maybe I'll join you somewhere!

Why do people always assume that opposition to AI is due to being ignorant bumpkins? tbf, I assume that people who are pro AI are morally bankrupt and massively selfish horrible people.

[oobesan]

I really wonder what motivates people to devalue and fight things they don't understand.

Maybe a knee jerk reaction based on this?

AI in general does pose some difficult questions and in the music sector there appears to be dubious attitudes towards copyright.
Plus there is concern about all the AI slop which will end up on Spotify etc and might eat away at paying jobs for composers.

So some people view all the AI music related stuff in the same negative way!
I see this thread primarily being aimed at hobbyists and in having limited impact on the professionals working in music.

My reaction has nothing to do with the AI slop deluge on Spotify (I do not and would never use Spotify anyway). It has to do with the total lack of consideration regarding our environment, or ecology, and our economics, the complete disrespect for humanity, and the moral principles that you have to lack in order to be a proponent of AI.