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benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:19 am

Where do I find a decent gothic organ sound?

I already own Charlie VST but I can't seem to find a really good gothic organ sound preset, so I thought I'd pop this question on the forums.

If anyone knows a decent gothic organ sound I'd really appreciate it. I do know that Genycis has a pretty good one for $2 (now that's what I call cost effective!), but I was wondering if there were others out there that I don't know about.

Thankyou.

Cheers,
Ben

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:26 pm

What's exactly a "Gothic" organ? Just an organ typically used in the Gothic style?

When the style was invented I imagine they used just any organ that they liked. What type does it resemble? Is it like a Hammond or more like the old-fashioned church (pipe) organ?

Maybe you need to construct the sound. Take a basic vanilla organ & put it through some suitable effects.

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:29 pm

I think goths have the same organs as the rest of us, only in black?

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:40 pm

For reasonable pipe organ sound on the cheap, try the Jeux soundfont. Be sure to heap some reverb on it or it won't sound at all realistic. With a church-sized space reverberating around it's not half bad.

You can find more organ soundfonts here, including baroque and gothic church organs, and modern electronic organs.

For truly authentic, genuine pipe organ sound, painstakingly sampled a note at a time from real organs, you should buy the extremely powerful Hauptwerk.

Meffy

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:52 pm

I own GPO and EWQLSO Silver, both of these have organs, including the Hauptwerk but I'm not sure if these have a gothic sound. I've tested them out but I'll listen to them again.

Cheers
Ben

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:14 am

benjamind wrote:I own GPO and EWQLSO Silver, both of these have organs, including the Hauptwerk but I'm not sure if these have a gothic sound. I've tested them out but I'll listen to them again.

Do you perhaps have a short MP3 of an organ playing the style of sound that you are looking for? It would help if we knew what sort of Gothic sound you want. There are so many different variations available on even a modest sized organ, that it's practically impossible to know exactly what you are looking for.

My first guess is a decent liturgical pipe organ emulation (or samples), playing a tutti-style registration, through an impulse response reverb, such as SIR or Pristine Space, along with a suitable cathedral impulse file. On the other hand, you could be wanting something that sounds totally different.

take care,
McLilith (I just happen to be an organ tech.)

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:17 am

are we imagining the phantom in his lair?
or sisters of mercy wavin their fingers in an eery way?
what kind of gothic?

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:21 am

Listen to the two songs "Gates of Delerium" and "Requiem" by Midnight Syndicate for the organ sounds I am after.

Cheers
Ben

dougsyo · Post by **dougsyo** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:26 am

When I think "Gothic organ", I think Baroque - the type of organ one might play Toccata & Fugue in Dm on. And lots of reverb.

Alas, as a Hammond fan, I'm not much good there, although I like the Jeux soundfont. If I ever get around to midi-fying the church Hammond, I may hook Hauptwerk to it.

Doug

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:35 am

Also, "Gargoyles" by Midnight Syndicate is another good organ track.

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:10 am

benjamind wrote:Listen to the two songs "Gates of Delerium" and "Requiem" by Midnight Syndicate for the organ sounds I am after.

I just listened to a little of what Midnight Syndicate have on their web site. If the organ sound in Gates of Delirium is what you are after, you will need an organ voice which has primarily several layers of principal stops playing at various octaves, and a decent cathedral or church reverb VST. There might well be some stops besides principals included in the mix, but the principal voices dominate in this type of organ sound.

I have to leave the house at this very moment, but I'll look for something appropriate to suggest when I return.

take care,
McLilith

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:30 am

Just bopping back in to say that the Hauptwerk I referred to is a distinct product by that name, not something that can be used with other samplers as far as I know. Very nice sound but it might be overkill for just one song. :-)

I don't know the artist or songs you mentioned, so can't help you to pin it down further. McLilith should be able to help there though.

Best of luck!

Meffy

Drega · Post by **Drega** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:22 pm

Id also be intrested in finding something or some sort of way to emulate this "gothic organ" sound

Voidoid Surrealist · Post by **Voidoid Surrealist** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:44 am

You might want to give the Grebbestad Church Organ a try: http://www.gtownsounds.com/
It's a 103MB Giga, but you can download it as a 60MB exe. It only has one stop combo (tutti) , but it's free, and sounds fantastic with the "Chicago Church" or "Unfinished Chapel" IR's from http://www.noisevault.com/ loaded into SIR: http://www.knufinke.de/sir/index_en.html

A smaller (but still nice) church organ with more stops (Plein Jeux, Principaux, Fonds, Tremblant, etc.) is Jeux d’orgues 2.1: http://www.basquin.freesurf.fr/jeuxdorgues/
(it's more recent than the 2.0 version on Hammersound)

Good Luck!

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:40 am

Thank you!

These organs sound awesome!

Cheers
Ben

Gothic organs?