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rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:33 pm

I want to be able to do strings that sound like bittersweet symphony (NOT SYNTH), can someone help?

preferably sf2 format

RonC

hefty · Post by **hefty** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:33 pm

The Verve lifted that string section off a Beatle's album. A large majority of the proceeds from the Verve's hit CD was paid to the Beatles, and far less to the Verve's group members.

Had the Verve re-recorded that passage with live string players (or a set of samples), they could have saved huge dollars.

Perhaps the Verve tried, but just couldn't get the perfect take?

You can lift the original passage yourself, and get the exact sound.

One of the string sections from the sf2 files at
www.sf2midi.com
with a little EQ might satisfy your needs for a free ride.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:35 pm

hefty wrote:The Verve lifted that string section off a Beatle's album. A large majority of the proceeds from the Verve's hit CD was paid to the Beatles, and far less to the Verve's group members.

Had the Verve re-recorded that passage with live string players (or a set of samples), they could have saved huge dollars.

Perhaps the Verve tried, but just couldn't get the perfect take?

You can lift the original passage yourself, and get the exact sound.

One of the string sections from the sf2 files at
www.sf2midi.com
with a little EQ might satisfy your needs for a free ride.

I think you mean something to do with the rolling stones. never understood the story myself, but then, the royalties go to jagger\richards

hefty · Post by **hefty** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:51 pm

It was a hard copy rag on the news stand (so much for accuracy in media) that said it was the Beatles, but I just looked it up on the net and apparently the Rolling Stones' label gets the cash:

The Verve were forced to pay 100% of their royalties from their hit "Bittersweet Symphony" for the use of an unlicensed sample from an orchestral cover version of The Rolling Stones' hit "The Last Time".

It is a land mark case in sampling, thanks for clearing up the facts.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:56 pm

hefty wrote:It was a hard copy rag on the news stand (so much for accuracy in media) that said it was the Beatles, but I just looked it up on the net and apparently the Rolling Stones' label gets the cash:

The Verve were forced to pay 100% of their royalties from their hit "Bittersweet Symphony" for the use of an unlicensed sample from an orchestral cover version of The Rolling Stones' hit "The Last Time".

It is a land mark case in sampling, thanks for clearing up the facts.

that really sux for the verve; such a great tune - never would have taken it for 'the last time'

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:59 pm

bluedad wrote:
hefty wrote:It was a hard copy rag on the news stand (so much for accuracy in media) that said it was the Beatles, but I just looked it up on the net and apparently the Rolling Stones' label gets the cash:

The Verve were forced to pay 100% of their royalties from their hit "Bittersweet Symphony" for the use of an unlicensed sample from an orchestral cover version of The Rolling Stones' hit "The Last Time".

It is a land mark case in sampling, thanks for clearing up the facts.
that really sux for the verve; such a great tune - never would have taken it for 'the last time'

the cash in question actually goes into a charity,which i suppose aint too bad but had the verve asked before hand they wouldnt be in the situation so lessons to be learned i guess

thoshu · Post by **thoshu** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:03 am

100 % of the royalities? Were they punished for adding a bit of spice to that ole men's sound? Shouldn't the Stones be grateful in the meantime if they get attention in any way by some ... ah f**k, I'm stoned, just think it's ridiculous to give the whole roylities to the old men.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:05 am

vurt wrote:

the cash in question actually goes into a charity,which i suppose aint too bad but had the verve asked before hand they wouldnt be in the situation so lessons to be learned i guess

thanks for adding that; it really steamed me off, like mick and keith really need the money.
but if it goes to charity, cool for them.
sample clearing, yes it makes sense doesn't it. I mean, on your biggest hit you want everything nice and clean, eh.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:09 am

think it was shelter that got the money?
or may have bee n warchild but years ago there was a cd well 4 cd singles released with various artists coverin gimme shelter for charity and it went to the same place.

either way it made the verve,they had been around for years before the case so it works both ways

hefty · Post by **hefty** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:24 am

The 100% royalty loss is because they lifted sample(s) and replicated too much of the melody from the same recording. A fancy entertainment lawyer could have gotten them off if:

Had the Verve re-recorded the strings, they would at most be liable to only pay a mechanical royalty (typical of cover songs).

Had the Verve created a new melody (and yet still used lifted samples) they could have likely obtained a more favorable clearance arrangement or other settlement.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:20 am

okay well listen im not going to cut the strings from it, what im asking is strings that can sound very similar to those.

RonC

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:06 am

okay are there any other strings out there? Please? Im dying here. I really want nice sounds. I really really really want this, Please?

full lushy orchestral... high vibrato, airy... passionate romantic strings...

RonC

Jurgenvb · Post by **Jurgenvb** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:45 pm

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There are some options :

* There is Sonic Implants Symphonic strings Mini
(which I believe come in SF2)

http://www.sonicimplants.com/PremiumStringsMini.asp (http://www.sonicimplants.com/PremiumStringsMini.asp)

* More expensive but has all the options and
articulations is East West Quantum Leap Orchestra
It comes in 3 flavours : Silver (kinda "Light" ed.), Gold (the prosumers version) and the Platinium strings (top notch quality) The first 2 contain also percussion & brass instruments.

http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/det ... sku=EW-155 (http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-155)

* Primesounds session strings ( a smaller section, but very airy sounding , great for pop) and a bargain
http://www.primesounds.com/ (http://www.primesounds.com/)

HTH

JVB

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:21 pm

I used some downloadable soundfonts to recreate the strings quite convincingly. I will have to post them when I get home tonite..

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:35 pm

Oh thank you so much S_A_P!!!

RONC

wanting cheap/free lush strings like verve's bitterswt symp