which vst-dx adapter?
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- KVRian
- 772 posts since 6 Oct, 2003 from ezeeworld
Anyone have any idea which of the vst-dx adaptors is best? I'm considering the one from spinaudio, directixer and the cakewalk one. Any preferences/opinions?
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- KVRian
- 1443 posts since 27 Dec, 2003
I have the Cakewalk and Directixer. I don't know anything about the SpinAudio one. I primarily use the Cakewalk, and put something in Directixer if I have a specific problem or need, which right now isn't much really.
Directixer is a little easier in that you can just drag things into the window to add them and things like that, whereas Cakewalk scans everything each time. Directixer also allows sending MIDI from a VST which apparently isn't doable in some hosts, including Sonar which I use. Helps with stuff like Midifier, which I have.
Directixer hasn't been updated since Sept 2003, Cakewalk's got a minor update in July I think so take that for whatever it's worth. Directixer is $49. Cakewalk's is $59, or $39 for Cakewalk customers.
Tough call. I don't know about any problems specific to one or the other. If I only could have one, I might go for Directixer because of the virtual MIDI port and the ease of use. I only have Cakewalk's because I have Sonar Producer which included it.
Directixer is a little easier in that you can just drag things into the window to add them and things like that, whereas Cakewalk scans everything each time. Directixer also allows sending MIDI from a VST which apparently isn't doable in some hosts, including Sonar which I use. Helps with stuff like Midifier, which I have.
Directixer hasn't been updated since Sept 2003, Cakewalk's got a minor update in July I think so take that for whatever it's worth. Directixer is $49. Cakewalk's is $59, or $39 for Cakewalk customers.
Tough call. I don't know about any problems specific to one or the other. If I only could have one, I might go for Directixer because of the virtual MIDI port and the ease of use. I only have Cakewalk's because I have Sonar Producer which included it.
Regards, Mike
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35453 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Note : the SpinAudio one doesnt do instruments.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 772 posts since 6 Oct, 2003 from ezeeworld
Thanks for the replies. I actually want to use the adapter in an audio editing program that only allows direct x effects, so I don't really need DXi compatability at the minute (although, it wouldn't hurt!).
I just wondered if one was a lot better than the others really. They all seem pretty capable. I seem to remember reading that there are problems syncing tempo syced effects with VST-DX adapters. Does anyone know if one is better than another?
Thanks again for the replies!
As a side note, is anyone aware of an audio editor that can use VST effects? The reason I'm searching for a VST-DX adapter is I can't afford Audition and Audacity doesn't show the GUI of effects (Which is ok for simple effects but when you start using complex ones
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I just wondered if one was a lot better than the others really. They all seem pretty capable. I seem to remember reading that there are problems syncing tempo syced effects with VST-DX adapters. Does anyone know if one is better than another?
Thanks again for the replies!
As a side note, is anyone aware of an audio editor that can use VST effects? The reason I'm searching for a VST-DX adapter is I can't afford Audition and Audacity doesn't show the GUI of effects (Which is ok for simple effects but when you start using complex ones
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- KVRian
- 1443 posts since 27 Dec, 2003
Errr... hmmmm... how about Nero? It includes a fairly robust wave editor now with VST support. It's actually a quite nice suite of products now covering many diverse applications on top of being the CD/DVD burner of choice for many. I think the Ultra (apparently Reloaded now) bundle will set you back on the order of $90 if memory serves, sometimes less on sale, and would give you video editing, DVD authoring, media management, backup, cover designer, etc. Worth a look.
Can't swear to the GUI part, I haven't used this probably since I installed it (have Audition, WaveLab, etc). I'm trying to launch it to answer that for you but its' wrapper is complaining about one of my plugs and I don't feel like tracking down the issue.
edit: Does Audacity=Mac? If so, I don't know if Nero is ported to Mac or not. But I'll leave my answer, maybe it'll help somebody else.
Can't swear to the GUI part, I haven't used this probably since I installed it (have Audition, WaveLab, etc). I'm trying to launch it to answer that for you but its' wrapper is complaining about one of my plugs and I don't feel like tracking down the issue.
edit: Does Audacity=Mac? If so, I don't know if Nero is ported to Mac or not. But I'll leave my answer, maybe it'll help somebody else.
Regards, Mike
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35453 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
ezeeboogie quoth Thanks for the replies. I actually want to use the adapter in an audio editing program that only allows direct x effects, so I don't really need DXi compatability at the minute (although, it wouldn't hurt!).
I just wondered if one was a lot better than the others really. They all seem pretty capable. I seem to remember reading that there are problems syncing tempo syced effects with VST-DX adapters. Does anyone know if one is better than another?
Unfortunate problem there; 'traditional' DX's dont handle tempo sync information from the host, only DXi's (or DX8 effects) do that. So, for example, to get Sonar to deal with tempo sync in plugns, up until V4 you had mark your tempo-based effects as DXi's. The wrapper with V4 now comes with the option to mark effects as 'tempo based' but I think it still may do much the same thing under the hood.
I just wondered if one was a lot better than the others really. They all seem pretty capable. I seem to remember reading that there are problems syncing tempo syced effects with VST-DX adapters. Does anyone know if one is better than another?
Unfortunate problem there; 'traditional' DX's dont handle tempo sync information from the host, only DXi's (or DX8 effects) do that. So, for example, to get Sonar to deal with tempo sync in plugns, up until V4 you had mark your tempo-based effects as DXi's. The wrapper with V4 now comes with the option to mark effects as 'tempo based' but I think it still may do much the same thing under the hood.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 7034 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france
i used to like much more SPinaudio vstDXwrapper.
But i deplore that some plugins don't work (they get wrapped without any problem, but it can crasht he host while using them). Most of the time, it gets crashed using plugins with tempo-sync options or a buffer (dfx buffer override, etc.).
but it used to work fine with compressors, equalizers, etc.
But i deplore that some plugins don't work (they get wrapped without any problem, but it can crasht he host while using them). Most of the time, it gets crashed using plugins with tempo-sync options or a buffer (dfx buffer override, etc.).
but it used to work fine with compressors, equalizers, etc.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 772 posts since 6 Oct, 2003 from ezeeworld
Thanks for the replies!
Thanks again everybody!
Ah, console! I'd forgotten about that one, I demoed it ages ago against Energy XT when I was looking for a modular VST host to use in other programs. I forgot that it's also a Direct X/VST host! Anyone know how well it handles tempo-synced effects?stag wrote:Enjoy
Cheers Mr Rabbyt! So, reading between the lines (and reading sinkmusic's post) the cakewalk adapter now handles tempo-synced effects ok? Whereas the Spin Audio one still has issues? Anyone know about Directixer?whyterabbyt wrote:Unfortunate problem there; 'traditional' DX's dont handle tempo sync information from the host, only DXi's (or DX8 effects) do that. So, for example, to get Sonar to deal with tempo sync in plugns, up until V4 you had mark your tempo-based effects as DXi's. The wrapper with V4 now comes with the option to mark effects as 'tempo based' but I think it still may do much the same thing under the hood.
Interesting! I hadn't even thought of that! Looking at the specs it handles VST and Direct X so seems like a good solution! I have Nero 5.5 so I could get an upgrade discount too...mn wrote:Nero
Thanks again everybody!
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35453 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
ezeeboogie quoth
Cheers Mr Rabbyt! So, reading between the lines (and reading sinkmusic's post) the cakewalk adapter now handles tempo-synced effects ok? Whereas the Spin Audio one still has issues? Anyone know about Directixer?
It does, but only if the host does.
Directixer should do as well, but I havent played with it in years.
Cheers Mr Rabbyt! So, reading between the lines (and reading sinkmusic's post) the cakewalk adapter now handles tempo-synced effects ok? Whereas the Spin Audio one still has issues? Anyone know about Directixer?
It does, but only if the host does.
Directixer should do as well, but I havent played with it in years.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 694 posts since 6 Aug, 2002 from London, UK
I think to get tempo sync in DirectiXer, you still need to configure the effect as an instrument.