Best VSTi or library for 70´s funky drums?

[kääriäinen]

What is best VSTi or sample library for those vintage, 70´s funky and jazzy drums? Think Funkadelic/Parliament, James Brown, Isaac Hayes, Jimmy Castor´s Bunch etc. BFD, DFH, Battery, DR008 or something else?

[declassified]

You'd want to get some breakbeats from the 70s for the 70s funky sound:

http://www.rah.gq.nu/bourbon/breaks1.html
http://breakbeatworldwide.com/index.php?secNo=16
http://www.dnbforum.com/showthread.php?t=2088

Download these (free) and you have a good pack to start with.

You may also want to visit the DoA Grid:
http://www.dogsonacid.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=4

Have fun!

[Frunobulax]

I don't know anything about it, but this sounds like it might have what you're looking for:

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1291.html

[Sascha Franck]

I don't know anything about it, but this sounds like it might have what you're looking for:

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1291.html

Rather expensive and comes in Kompakt format which doesn't leave much room for personal tweakings.

[kääriäinen]

Thanks for tips, guys! Looks promising, I´ll check them out. But can anybody say which of these drum vsti´s (BFD, DFH, Battery, DR008) comes with kits that have most vintage "flavor"?

[Sascha Franck]

Thanks for tips, guys! Looks promising, I´ll check them out. But can anybody say which of these drum vsti´s (BFD, DFH, Battery, DR008) comes with kits that have most vintage "flavor"?

Well, I don't know about DFH, but in case you are after super realistic drum sounds, BFD might be the way to go. Mind you, it's quite resource hungry if you take full advance of the mixing options. There should be some pretty much authentic 70 style funk kits coming with it too.

DR-008 is more like an allround thing. There's some nice kits coming with it, it's VERY efficient too, but I wouldn't define it as some "70s specialist" thing. It's a mixture between a (very good) drum sampler and an electronic sound device.

Another thing in question might be Battery - the kits coming with version 1 aren't all that great but it seems NI has expanded their kit content to a rather large amount with V2.

However, you will have to decide whether you prefer a more or less proprietary format (DFH, BFD), eventually offering somewhat more authentic results due to the fact that these sets are optimized for their interface (in which case BFD will probably win as the interface is designed solely for it) or whether you could also get away with slightly less authentic results (DR-008, Battery - I would chose DR-008 btw) with the advance of being able to load quite some further formats into them as well.
For instance: If you'd just like to add your own snare, maybe sampled from some old funk record, both DFH and BFD won't help you, as their bound to their own proprietary format. With a drum sampler it'd however be a matter of seconds to just replace or add any sound. So it's also a matter of working habits.

[declassified]

@Sascha: Ich müsste eigentlich mal nen Textdokument erstellen wo ich alles Wissenswerte drin sammle was du hier schon so gebracht hast. Würde wahrscheinlich ziemlich lang, und ich habe auch nicht die Zeit dazu

@kääriäinen: Sorry, but I don't get why you don't follow my advice and get the (free) breaks to slice them. Instead you keep looking for something rather expensive...(BFD is 199pound)
Why?


Breaks will offer more vintage flavour than any imitating drums recorded 30 years after the age. So why don't you use them?

[jones-y]

Are you looking for single drum hit samples or loops? Maybe you could lift some drum hits from the old records (not the loops though, if you plan on publishing your music - unless you wanna risk it, or are being bankrolled by a record label). Alternatively, go to your local used CD shop, most of James Brown and George Clinton's stuff has been re-released on CD.

I used to own the original Stylus. One of the techniques they used to process their acoustic drum samples was to actually press them to wax and resample them. They had some very James Brown-ish drum samples. I assume all the old material is included in the new Stylus RMX, but I wouldn't know for sure.

[kääriäinen]

Don´t worry Superstition, I will use the breaks. I love them. I just was curious if drum samplers and romplers also had that kind of sounds as I have needs for other kind of drum sounds, too.

[HelgeG]

What is best VSTi or sample library for those vintage, 70´s funky and jazzy drums?

You should check out the Retro Funk sample library from Spectrasonics. It is also available as an Xpander pack for Stylus RMX.

[splattabreakz]

i think 'that' sound is more to do with the recording equipment used rather than the drums themselves, there are some beautiful vintage drums in BFD (some are tried and tested studio standards) but without the right treament you're just not going to achieve what youre after, if you want something really dynamic and programmable then i suggest BFD coupled with some nice DSP any day of the week, but if you can't be bothered tweaking compressors and warmifiers for ages then i suggest do what everyone else does and chop up breaks.

[jones-y]

i think 'that' sound is more to do with the recording equipment used rather than the drums themselves,

As well as the medium of transferral. In this case the popular medium was vinyl.

Which is partly why the original Stylus was so good at those types of drums, IMO.

[Stupid American Pig]

well a well pressed new condition record should not really impart any sound of its own, and some purists consider it to sound better(I.E. Clearer) than digital.

I see what you are saying Mjones, but I think that the funk sound had more to do with how it was recorded than the final medium it was distributed on. and you can use Isotope vinyl to simulate the crackling and surface noise...