slicing and loops question
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 17836 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
I have never understood the appeal of loop-slicing, except as a means of grabbing individual drum-hits. I just don't get it and no-one has been able to show me anything useful or to give me any meaningful insight. I just load my loops into DrumRack and hit the "FIT" button to match the tempo. Works like a charm every time.
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- Banned
- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
never tried them (used my 'breaks'? - it's totally random) imo 'pure randomness' works much better with melody than rhythm.. needs some 'ebb + flow' structure.
ttbomk, common practice is to use slicers to reorder stuff to create novel adjuncts, bounce this to audio and then arrange that material, ie. slice it into 1/2m or 3/8m sections that sound nice and fit em up.
ttbomk, common practice is to use slicers to reorder stuff to create novel adjuncts, bounce this to audio and then arrange that material, ie. slice it into 1/2m or 3/8m sections that sound nice and fit em up.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111304 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
dont do it then,its not mandatory 
try choppin some of your own synth loops up tho can be fun too
try choppin some of your own synth loops up tho can be fun too
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- KVRAF
- 3002 posts since 24 Nov, 2003 from Heidelberg&Hamburg
I just get a tutorial next weeks from a friend exactly about THAT, Hans...
I like Dicer like vurt said for other sounds, can give weird results und be much fun playing with.
But for drums... maybe I can tell you more in some weeks
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I like Dicer like vurt said for other sounds, can give weird results und be much fun playing with.
But for drums... maybe I can tell you more in some weeks
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- KVRAF
- 8077 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
There are a few ways to look at it. Though maybe some of these only apply to tools that generate MIDI data, like FruitySlicer.
- keep the loop mostly intact but swap around a couple things, turn 4/4 into 5/4, do the breakbeats thing, etc.
- treat it like you've just loaded up a kit in a drum sampler and write your own rhythms.
- one of my usual tricks is to cut back the decay of each drum hit, play with pitches of individual hits or the whole thing overall, toy around with filter envelopes on each hit, then compress/distort/bitcrush to taste.
- ignore the audio and use its groove for other things -- a different drum loop, drum sampler, Microtonic, bass line, tarnce gate, etc.
- isolate one part -- the hi-hats or snares or whatever is interesting.
- fit things that aren't particularly rhythmic (i.e. samples of people talking) to your rhythm.
- slice by division rather than transient detection to chop up non-rhythmic samples, or even rhythmic ones
- keep the loop mostly intact but swap around a couple things, turn 4/4 into 5/4, do the breakbeats thing, etc.
- treat it like you've just loaded up a kit in a drum sampler and write your own rhythms.
- one of my usual tricks is to cut back the decay of each drum hit, play with pitches of individual hits or the whole thing overall, toy around with filter envelopes on each hit, then compress/distort/bitcrush to taste.
- ignore the audio and use its groove for other things -- a different drum loop, drum sampler, Microtonic, bass line, tarnce gate, etc.
- isolate one part -- the hi-hats or snares or whatever is interesting.
- fit things that aren't particularly rhythmic (i.e. samples of people talking) to your rhythm.
- slice by division rather than transient detection to chop up non-rhythmic samples, or even rhythmic ones
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- KVRAF
- 4314 posts since 31 Oct, 2004
It's usefull if you want to integrate breakbeats in your music & create variation on the same rhythm. I think the drumming performance on some classic breakbeats are quite complex, & that's this complexity that people want to ad to their music.BONES wrote:I have never understood the appeal of loop-slicing, except as a means of grabbing individual drum-hits. I just don't get it and no-one has been able to show me anything useful or to give me any meaningful insight.
Plus, you can have fun analysing the structure of a certain drum loop & recreate the playing on another one, for example: you program a "funky drummer" loop the way the "amen" break is played. This way you can create complex variation out of one loop.
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- KVRist
- 260 posts since 11 Mar, 2003 from Stockholm/Sweden
I use slicing alot just to be able to use different effects on different sounds in the loop, and add subtle fills. I think it is an excellent tool!BONES wrote:I have never understood the appeal of loop-slicing, except as a means of grabbing individual drum-hits. I just don't get it and no-one has been able to show me anything useful or to give me any meaningful insight. I just load my loops into DrumRack and hit the "FIT" button to match the tempo. Works like a charm every time.
Some audio examples: original drums
And: sliced and processed drums
These were sliced in recycle, and loaded up into Cubase SX, and FX added. Except for Freeverb2 it's Cubase's default stuff.
Regards
/Daniel
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- Banned
- 1319 posts since 29 Jul, 2002
BONES wrote:I have never understood the appeal of loop-slicing, except as a means of grabbing individual drum-hits. I just don't get it and no-one has been able to show me anything useful or to give me any meaningful insight. I just load my loops into DrumRack and hit the "FIT" button to match the tempo. Works like a charm every time.
from an orion user even
maybe it's just me,but I think alot can be done when opening a 4x or 8x sampler in orion and cutting a loop up in the grooveslicer for a bit of re-arrangement
maybe some dub delay or pattern controlled filter on certain slices etc etc
you might be suprised what you can get from a loop
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- KVRist
- 155 posts since 26 Jun, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia
Say, where'd you get that loop? It's pretty tasty… Do tell!tlr wrote:Some audio examples: original drums
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- KVRist
- 260 posts since 11 Mar, 2003 from Stockholm/Sweden
ACID - Streetbeats (badurim 3 86bpm)Paradroid wrote:Say, where'd you get that loop? It's pretty tasty… Do tell!tlr wrote:Some audio examples: original drums
This guy thinks it sucks!
/Daniel
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- KVRAF
- 4314 posts since 31 Oct, 2004
Nice beat tlr! I love it!