Got a few questions for you manystation users...
I'm finally getting round to using my computer for music and was thinking about buying Cubase SE and Manystation initially. What I want to know is:
1) Will Manystation be enough (at least initially) for it to be my only sound source (possibly with a few free VSTi's)?
2) Can it play samples direct from disk?
3) Will I be able to record complete pieces of music on it without worrying about overloading my PC (P4 3ghz, 1gig RAM, 80gig HD)?
It looks and sounds great and there's obviously some excellent feedback on here. I just need to know the practicalities of using it on it's own before I take the plunge!
Manystation on it's own
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- KVRian
- 1443 posts since 27 Dec, 2003
1) Most likely, yes. It's a pretty wide selection of samples, both synths and acoustic instruments, etc. Probably a good first choice. And a bargain when you consider you're basically getting Wusikstation, too, which is probably my most used VSTi in the last 3-4 months (Manystation uses the WusikEngine).
2) Not sure, but I don't think it does DFD. I don't know that it needs to though, it's not pulling as much data as your BFD or EWQLSO type plugins which do use DFD.
3) I don't see why you'd have any problems with those specs. My system is an AMD 2400+, 1280MB RAM, multiple HDD and I've never had a single problem with Wusikstation or Manystation. The only difference might be that my Wusik data directory (which Manystation will happily share if it exists) is on a separate drive from the VSTi and my system files. I expect you won't have any problem at all.
2) Not sure, but I don't think it does DFD. I don't know that it needs to though, it's not pulling as much data as your BFD or EWQLSO type plugins which do use DFD.
3) I don't see why you'd have any problems with those specs. My system is an AMD 2400+, 1280MB RAM, multiple HDD and I've never had a single problem with Wusikstation or Manystation. The only difference might be that my Wusik data directory (which Manystation will happily share if it exists) is on a separate drive from the VSTi and my system files. I expect you won't have any problem at all.
Regards, Mike
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- KVRAF
- 3345 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from Amsterdam
1) yes, and of course you could buy the additional soundsets for Manystation or Wusikstation to add on, and maybe get a convertor to also use (free) soundfonts and other kinds of samples in Manystation.
2) no, but e.g. sfz does, and that's free. (of course that's not a synth, but DFD is only required for big samples, right?)
Why Cubase SE? Why not use state-of-the-art tools and buy Tracktion (2) or energyXT?
EDIT: Forgot the
--HansM
2) no, but e.g. sfz does, and that's free. (of course that's not a synth, but DFD is only required for big samples, right?)
Why Cubase SE? Why not use state-of-the-art tools and buy Tracktion (2) or energyXT?
EDIT: Forgot the
. I'm using a P4 2.5GHz, 1Gb RAM and 2 disks, and everything works smoothly... You should be fine with that, just maybe need a new disk once you start collecting samples.(P4 3ghz, 1gig RAM, 80gig HD)
--HansM
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 1 Mar, 2005 from Leeds, England
I'm using a similar setup on a less powerful PC, so I think you should be fine, unless you have really complex requirements. Even then there are ways around most things - eg. if a particular track is using a lot of processor power, you can render it as an audio track (perhaps temporarily). Cubase has an automatic function called Freeze to do this but I think that it may not be present on the SE version.
Cheers, Phil
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- Mod-ulator
- 2895 posts since 31 Oct, 2000 from "Where I'm to, There I'll be"
Hi deetee
You should have no Problems with that system. We do not use DFD as performance is much better if Ram is used. It keeps your CPU down so it can be used for other intensive things that need it in the Digital workstation environment. You can always save your preset and midi track and rip to wave if you fill your Ram up too much ... But 1 gig is alot of Ram and you should not have trouble for the most part. I still have 512 in the test machine here at the moment and it is also an old AMD 1800 and I get decent performance. We explain about that fully in the manual.
The Machine has the capabilities to Load Huge sets and some of our sets are Fairly large .. Example: one strat is about 65 meg and some guys layer 4 of them together for realism in dynamics.
You just need to be reasonable in your usage as with any System used these days.
Also we will have a new version which eases the ram load per instance(see wusik forum for the beta info on this.) Plus a multi timbral version soon which will also cut back on Ram load over multple instances. These will come once fully beta tested.
Thanks for the Questions.
Paul
You should have no Problems with that system. We do not use DFD as performance is much better if Ram is used. It keeps your CPU down so it can be used for other intensive things that need it in the Digital workstation environment. You can always save your preset and midi track and rip to wave if you fill your Ram up too much ... But 1 gig is alot of Ram and you should not have trouble for the most part. I still have 512 in the test machine here at the moment and it is also an old AMD 1800 and I get decent performance. We explain about that fully in the manual.
The Machine has the capabilities to Load Huge sets and some of our sets are Fairly large .. Example: one strat is about 65 meg and some guys layer 4 of them together for realism in dynamics.
You just need to be reasonable in your usage as with any System used these days.
Also we will have a new version which eases the ram load per instance(see wusik forum for the beta info on this.) Plus a multi timbral version soon which will also cut back on Ram load over multple instances. These will come once fully beta tested.
Thanks for the Questions.
Paul
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 9 posts since 13 Feb, 2005
wow! just got home from practicing with my band and found answers to everything I needed to know and more! thanks for the help, I'll be definately be buying it now. can't wait to get my hands on it!
HansM - going for Cubase basically because I've used it before...which may not seem like the most logical reason but I don't want the learning curve to be too steep as I'm just getting back into this stuff.
BTW - Wusikstation, this does wave sequencing? like the korg wavestation? how would I get my hands on those type of sounds for Manystation?
Cheers!
HansM - going for Cubase basically because I've used it before...which may not seem like the most logical reason but I don't want the learning curve to be too steep as I'm just getting back into this stuff.
BTW - Wusikstation, this does wave sequencing? like the korg wavestation? how would I get my hands on those type of sounds for Manystation?
Cheers!
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
Both Wusik Station and Many Station do wave sequencing. If you want a korg wavestation 'type' synth without cloning the presets, have a look at this Wusik Soundset-The Second Wave:deetee wrote:
BTW - Wusikstation, this does wave sequencing? like the korg wavestation? how would I get my hands on those type of sounds for Manystation?
http://www.wusik.com/index.php?pagep=wu ... s/bitr/tsw
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- Mod-ulator
- 2895 posts since 31 Oct, 2000 from "Where I'm to, There I'll be"
Hi deetee
Yes wavesequencing is easy in Both Stations.
You just fill the slots in the WS layers with different wavs and use the Wave seq window (shown on our website info) to draw different modulations and tunings and all kinds of other cool things. You can Wave Sequence any of the soundsets.
Eventually i will have some Videos up to demonstrate a bunch of the stuff that can be done.
My latest fun is assigning the mod wheel to the x y pad and routing to various destinations ...weeeeeeeee talk abot moving sounds ...need a joystick now
Paul
Yes wavesequencing is easy in Both Stations.
You just fill the slots in the WS layers with different wavs and use the Wave seq window (shown on our website info) to draw different modulations and tunings and all kinds of other cool things. You can Wave Sequence any of the soundsets.
Eventually i will have some Videos up to demonstrate a bunch of the stuff that can be done.
My latest fun is assigning the mod wheel to the x y pad and routing to various destinations ...weeeeeeeee talk abot moving sounds ...need a joystick now
Paul
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- KVRAF
- 3345 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from Amsterdam
That's a good reason. I'm not going the start the host discussion here, enough threads of those already. But you still might want to consider Tracktion, since it has no learning curve at all (almost). And for all the quesions there is a very active Tracktion forum here (The RawMaterialSoftware forum).deetee wrote:HansM - going for Cubase basically because I've used it before...which may not seem like the most logical reason but I don't want the learning curve to be too steep as I'm just getting back into this stuff.
--HansM
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 9 posts since 13 Feb, 2005
thanks for all the good advice.
i've made my mind up to go for manystation, is there a benefit to buying wusikstation too? I'm gonna go and look over at the wusik forum now, but what do people think about using it with Manystation, is it tricky (or even pointless?) for someone who does little more than tweak ADSR, cutoff and resonance on his existing gear? I notice Wusik is at $50 on the group buy and that manystation is $80 for Wusik owners.
So...
Manystation + Wusikstation for $130
or
Manystation for $100
Anyone got any thoughts?
Cheers!
i've made my mind up to go for manystation, is there a benefit to buying wusikstation too? I'm gonna go and look over at the wusik forum now, but what do people think about using it with Manystation, is it tricky (or even pointless?) for someone who does little more than tweak ADSR, cutoff and resonance on his existing gear? I notice Wusik is at $50 on the group buy and that manystation is $80 for Wusik owners.
So...
Manystation + Wusikstation for $130
or
Manystation for $100
Anyone got any thoughts?
Cheers!
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- KVRAF
- 3345 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from Amsterdam
Manystation and Wusikstation currently are the same product, but with different soundsets. You have the same tuning, filtering, effects and wave sequencing features. But Wusikstation has a large set of presets and soundsets.
As you can see in the WS forum William announced big changes to WS, so that product will differ from Manystation.
With the price calculation that you make, for just $30 you would have another 500MB (or so) on waves and presets For me that would make it an easy choice, because I'm not really a sound designer either, but need to have good (and many) presets.
--HansM
As you can see in the WS forum William announced big changes to WS, so that product will differ from Manystation.
With the price calculation that you make, for just $30 you would have another 500MB (or so) on waves and presets
For me that would make it an easy choice, because I'm not really a sound designer either, but need to have good (and many) presets.--HansM
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- KVRAF
- 3345 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from Amsterdam
Don't forget to look at the Minimoog set, the Second Wave, zvon's sets (Julie, Horn) etc etc. All great sets (I think I have everything available 
) and useable with both Manystation and Wusikstation.
In addition, when you get Extreme Sound Convertor (ESC) you can convert other formats, e.g. giga, SF2, ST, etc, to wusik format, so you can really use all the sounds and instruments that you find integrated in 1/2 products.
--HansM
) and useable with both Manystation and Wusikstation.In addition, when you get Extreme Sound Convertor (ESC) you can convert other formats, e.g. giga, SF2, ST, etc, to wusik format, so you can really use all the sounds and instruments that you find integrated in 1/2 products.
--HansM
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- Mod-ulator
- 2895 posts since 31 Oct, 2000 from "Where I'm to, There I'll be"
Hans said:
Also deetee ...You wil love both soundset collections.
(was that you that just ordered?)
All of the Soundsets are unique.
Thanks
Paul
Did i miss something here hans ... do you have a link that talks about this?As you can see in the WS forum William announced big changes to WS, so that product will differ from Manystation.
Also deetee ...You wil love both soundset collections.
(was that you that just ordered?)
All of the Soundsets are unique.
Thanks
Paul
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- KVRAF
- 3345 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from Amsterdam
oops.. Now I've really done itmanytone wrote:Hans said:Did i miss something here hans ... do you have a link that talks about this?As you can see in the WS forum William announced big changes to WS, so that product will differ from Manystation.
My statement was based on my implicit assumption that if someone is going to use Wusikstation, she/he will probably go with the WusikModstation flow, and if I remember well, that's different from the basic Wusikstation engine that is the foundation of the current Wusikstation (that will continu to exist) and Manystation.
If this is totally wrong, I apologize... Somewhere during the WS product/strategy changes in the threads at Christmas 2004 and the 20-page thread about the business plan I lost track of the direction and promised releases...
--HansM