hi,
which vst eq comes nearest to an ssl conole eq?
for pc!
SSL eq
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- KVRAF
- 2548 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV
That wasn't very helpful. 
Having never used an SSL console, what's so special about the sound of their EQ? What does that EQ do, which isn't being done in any of the VST EQs? I'm genuinely curious about what makes them so special.
thanks,
McLilith
Having never used an SSL console, what's so special about the sound of their EQ? What does that EQ do, which isn't being done in any of the VST EQs? I'm genuinely curious about what makes them so special.
thanks,
McLilith
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 27 posts since 23 Feb, 2005
it just sounds VERY good! i will not say "warm" i hate this word, it`s marketing..
it sounds musical. if you do a mix in the box and the same mix on an ssl it just sound BETTER.
so can`t afford an ssl console so i hoped there is an alternative...
it sounds musical. if you do a mix in the box and the same mix on an ssl it just sound BETTER.
so can`t afford an ssl console so i hoped there is an alternative...
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- KVRian
- 683 posts since 16 Aug, 2004
In the world of 'good' Eq most engineers including my self avoid SSL E/G series console Eq's. It has never been regarded as a 'must have'. SSL's are the most common choice of desk more for its automation abilities and routing/mix capabilites. G series Eq improved matters but it must be born in mind that it is more a of a 'fix' Eq than a creative sound sculpting tool. It has never been considered some 'magic' Eq in the same way as a 1081 or EQP1A has been. If you want good console Eq check out API or Neve or going back to the days or old and noisy Trident series 80 which MTA have reissued. I personally never used ssl Eq a lot whenever I mixed on ssl's. What the ssl did offer which is a superb is the bus compressor on the main stereo mix bus. This compressor was excellant and can be heard on many many many records. Check out Nirvana never mind to hear the SSL bus comp in action. Drums and who knows what else were all processed with it.
Gareth_FX
Gareth_FX
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35474 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
For EQ's which make things sound 'better' head over to voxengo.com
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- KVRist
- 441 posts since 13 Feb, 2003
just wondering...which criteria makes an eq sound "good"? is it a matter of personal taste? are there technical explanations on this question? how does a "good" eq differ from a "bad" one technically?
concerning the initial question - there are plugins which can recreate all kinds of eq characteristics if you got eq source material, like waves q-clone. i myself never used it, but it might do this job. but wow - it's not cheap, there might be alternatives for fewer bucks.
concerning the initial question - there are plugins which can recreate all kinds of eq characteristics if you got eq source material, like waves q-clone. i myself never used it, but it might do this job. but wow - it's not cheap, there might be alternatives for fewer bucks.
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- KVRist
- 336 posts since 7 Nov, 2004 from New Zealand
???
jotb - Isn't your term "musical" just as vague & useless, as the term "warm/warmth" when used for description... to someone who has never heard the gear or device in question?
McLilith - it's the character inherent to any given devices' specific circuitry, componentry, preamps, build quality & any number of other varying factors etc... that sets a device (in this case an SSL) apart & defines its sound... favourable (read:musical?) or otherwise(read:unmusical?)
I know of pro's that would not touch an SSL let alone track on one!
In the end, it all comes down to personal taste (& sometimes trendiness)... & is ultimately... completely subjective!
jotb - Isn't your term "musical" just as vague & useless, as the term "warm/warmth" when used for description... to someone who has never heard the gear or device in question?
McLilith - it's the character inherent to any given devices' specific circuitry, componentry, preamps, build quality & any number of other varying factors etc... that sets a device (in this case an SSL) apart & defines its sound... favourable (read:musical?) or otherwise(read:unmusical?)
I know of pro's that would not touch an SSL let alone track on one!
In the end, it all comes down to personal taste (& sometimes trendiness)... & is ultimately... completely subjective!
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 27 posts since 23 Feb, 2005
@ghost: your are right, neve eq is very good, but it`s hardware...
the better question would be: what plug comes closest to hardware/console eq like ssl/neve/api etc.
and you are right about "musical" but how to explain better?
the better question would be: what plug comes closest to hardware/console eq like ssl/neve/api etc.
and you are right about "musical" but how to explain better?
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- KVRian
- 600 posts since 6 Feb, 2004 from London, UK
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- KVRAF
- 11380 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
jotb wrote:@ghost: your are right, neve eq is very good, but it`s hardware...
the better question would be: what plug comes closest to hardware/console eq like ssl/neve/api etc.
and you are right about "musical" but how to explain better?
www.tritonedigital.com
Definately the closest to 'hardware' sound as it's based on convolution (aka, sampling the hardware sound). Hydratone will be out for PC quite soon (give them a couple of more weeks or so..) but if you have access to a Mac then download the mac demo.
Btw. I totally understand the word "musical" and I also understand people who have never tried/experienced high-end hardware and why they can't understand the different descriptions like 'warm' 'musical' 'biting' 'forward' 'muddy' etc.
Here's my two cents on the term 'musical'. It's IMHO equal to -> ".. very easy, I just turn a knob a tiny bit and suddenly get the exact desired results!". This is unfortunate that it's sometimes nearly impossible to experience this in the digital domain (well, it WAS, but now with some of the extremely highquality eq plugins that same 'feeling' is starting to show up in the digital world. Just give voxengo HarmoniEQ a try and Tritonedigital Hydratone and you'll see what I mean.)
Cheers!
bManic
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
"What Magic Bullet can I apply to make my stuff sound less crap?", maybe?jotb wrote:@ghost: your are right, neve eq is very good, but it`s hardware...
the better question would be: what plug comes closest to hardware/console eq like ssl/neve/api etc.
and you are right about "musical" but how to explain better?
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- KVRist
- 441 posts since 13 Feb, 2003
that's too muchakisd28 wrote:www.ursplugins.com
how the heck would i decide which one to get?
oh wait...there's a bundle...checking my account
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- KVRian
- 683 posts since 16 Aug, 2004
Or you could learn to get the sound right at source and stop using Eq!!!!
To many people seem to resort to processing because they feel they must purely because they can! Learn to use Eq to cut rather than boost and youll soon be a happier bunny.
Eq is a tool thats is often totally overused to very bad effect (no pun intended)
Less is more and all that other cheesy cliched nonsense.
Cutting the bass has the same subjective effect as increasing the top end without the associated problems, scooping the mid will make your bass sound deeper and your top end more open......
Learn to use Eq in a different way , these days I 99.9% of the time only use Eq for bass roll of a simply 6db filter does the job beautifully......
Just my thoughts....
Gareth_FX
*awaits flames*
To many people seem to resort to processing because they feel they must purely because they can! Learn to use Eq to cut rather than boost and youll soon be a happier bunny.
Eq is a tool thats is often totally overused to very bad effect (no pun intended)
Less is more and all that other cheesy cliched nonsense.
Cutting the bass has the same subjective effect as increasing the top end without the associated problems, scooping the mid will make your bass sound deeper and your top end more open......
Learn to use Eq in a different way , these days I 99.9% of the time only use Eq for bass roll of a simply 6db filter does the job beautifully......
Just my thoughts....
Gareth_FX
*awaits flames*
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- KVRAF
- 1821 posts since 5 Oct, 2003
I'm with you on this, Gareth.gareth_fx wrote:Or you could learn to get the sound right at source and stop using Eq!!!!
To many people seem to resort to processing because they feel they must purely because they can! Learn to use Eq to cut rather than boost and youll soon be a happier bunny.
Eq is a tool thats is often totally overused to very bad effect (no pun intended)
Less is more and all that other cheesy cliched nonsense.
Cutting the bass has the same subjective effect as increasing the top end without the associated problems, scooping the mid will make your bass sound deeper and your top end more open......
Learn to use Eq in a different way , these days I 99.9% of the time only use Eq for bass roll of a simply 6db filter does the job beautifully......
Just my thoughts....
Gareth_FX
*awaits flames*
For me, that is the real fun and the challenge:
Just you, your signal chain, mic positioning, the room and the source.
Nothing I enjoy more. Its like problem solving with toys.
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