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straightouttacompton · Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:11 am

Has anyone much experience with rewiring Live into SX2, and any comments on reliability?

I've just finished a 80 minute mix with 16 or so tracks, using Live for the timestreching but nothing else - then rewiring the channels into five separate Cubase channels. I applied some VST effects, eq etc all in Cubase.

The mix plays pretty much perfectly but when I attempt to record it using the Cubase 'Real Time Export' option, it's full of stops and glitches, usually in places where extensive Cubase automation is in place. A standard audio export doesn't work at all which I expected given that I'm rewiring.

Strangely, the best method of recording has been to simply hit record and let an external Wave editor record the Cubase output, which gives me a near perfect mix with 10-15 small clicks / glitches along the way. Obviously I can use this recording and re-record the parts where glitches have occurred before sticking it all back together, but I'd rather get the programmes to work properly if possible!

Anything I should be doing here? Any magic settings in Live or SX that I might have neglected to turn on that's causing this unreliability?

(For the record, the DAW is an AMD 64 4000 with an M-Audio Delta 1010 soundcard, fully configured for audio and normally rock solid in terms of reliability. Rendering the mix is only using about 10% of CPU and there's plenty of available RAM too.)

iskandar · Post by **iskandar** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:56 am

maybe download the live update as some rewire bugs were fixed

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:15 am

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straightouttacompton · Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:01 pm

Yeah I've already tried non-realtime export, you simply get no audio whatsoever. For non-realtime export to work it needs to render the audio either from audio tracks or a VST inside Cubase but I don't think rendering over rewire is possible.

Will grab that update and see if there's any improvement.

flex42 · Post by **flex42** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:21 pm

try loading all samples in Ableton Live in to the ram (each clip has a "ram button")

straightouttacompton · Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:17 pm

Don't think that'll be possible... there are 15 full length audio tracks, at 90mb or so each, and I only have 1GB of ram?!

Decided the best solution is probably to render the timestreched tracks straight out of Live, dump the audio tracks in Cubase, and just copy over all of my automation, then do a straight audio render out of Cubase.

The only problem stopping me doing this is that I've used tempo automation from a Cubase tempo track, which Live picks up when playing back the tracks, but doesn't take into account when rendering. Hrmph

flex42 · Post by **flex42** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:30 pm

not sure it'll help solve the issue but ram-wise shouldn't be a problem...XP will just put the data into the pagefile

straightouttacompton · Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:55 am

Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the pagefile just a ram-substitute hard-drive space so it's going to be loading from disk anyway?

Seem to have a found a solution though thanks to your RAM suggestion - if I load about 2 tracks into RAM, it doesn't skip (it does with more tracks), however I can render the mix in individual segments, piece them together in Cubase then do a proper audio render. A bit of hassle but at least I can be confident it's probably rendered properly!

flex42 · Post by **flex42** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:03 am

straightouttacompton wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the pagefile just a ram-substitute hard-drive space so it's going to be loading from disk anyway?

sure - i thought that maybe it's just Abletons virtual memory management that's f**ked up...apparently not

Leslie · Post by **Leslie** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:36 am

iskandar wrote:maybe download the live update as some rewire bugs were fixed

Hmm... Strange that He is still persisting on using Live without the latest upgrade that will solve all the problems..?
Hey "straightouttacompton" upgrades are free for all legit Live 4 owners You know...

proletkult · Post by **proletkult** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:34 am

I'm sure you've got to use audio64 for mixing down long files in Cubase. Try that it worked for me!

GO · Post by GO » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:56 am

I had this problem too with Live and SX 2.0. SX 3.0 and upward fixes the problem. For me, this alone made the upgrade well worth it. YMMV. Good luck!

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:14 am

I agree though witht he other person who posted.
Why haven't you updated to 4.1.1 from the Abe's site as it had a few rewire bug fixes in it ?

flex42 · Post by **flex42** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:29 pm

4.1.1 didn't fix this for me...

straightouttacompton · Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:48 am

Leslie wrote:
iskandar wrote:maybe download the live update as some rewire bugs were fixed
Hmm... Strange that He is still persisting on using Live without the latest upgrade that will solve all the problems..?
Hey "straightouttacompton" upgrades are free for all legit Live 4 owners You know...

Why don't you check the post times of this post and my thread on the Live board before insinuating something like that, you utter tool.

FYI I have updated and it didn't fix this problem although I don't yet have SX3 so perhaps that would solve it.

Ableton Live 4.0.1 / Cubase SX2 rewire issue