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Funkybot · Post by **Funkybot** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:49 pm

Title says it all: Scarbee's RSP 73 is selling for $99 at musicians friend as it's in the clearance section. Might be too good for some to pass up at that price.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:20 pm

Or get MrRay73 (PC donationware - modeling - no samples - low CPU). Seriously, it blows away the Scarbee samples (which I have and no longer use). It's a synth edit creation, but anyone who tries it loves it (see the unanimous replies to the post about which Rhodes to get under the Instruments forum). New, better technology replaces older, worse technology. Huge samples just cripple your PC, and the sound isn't worth it compared with MrRay73. MrRay73 sounds even better at 96kHz - whereas Scarbee samples don't run on my machine at 96kHz, and many sampled instruments sound worse at 96kHz than they do at 44.1kHz.

Rellik · Post by **Rellik** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:35 am

Yeah - I concur with greendoor.

MrRay is fantastic

I have nothing against Scarbee but I don't think it's inappropriate to mention other options in this thread - wouldn't want anyone to make a decision they'd regret!

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:39 am

can't agree, mrray sounds like a synth/organ compared to scarbee. it's good for freeware, but no way it can replace scarbee rhodes for me.
edit: but you don't have to use scarbee in every piece or when you compose. use mrray for that or other rhodes, and when you bounce replace with scarbee, if it's important for your sound.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:00 am

If you are talking about MrRay, I agree. But have you tried MrRay73? It's the latest version, and I have the Scarbee Rhodes and see no reason to use it again. Try the latest version of MrRay73 (not MrRay) at 96kHz! OK - personal preference comes in here: you will not get the natural "defects" in the Scarbee sampled EP - depending on your sense of aesthetics that may or may not worry you. I like the more "perfect" sound that the model gives.

I would have to agree that MrTramp doesn't totally make Scarbee wurly redundant. But it's very close, and very good, and maybe we will see an upgrade like MrRay73 in time ...

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:36 am

greendoor wrote:If you are talking about MrRay, I agree. But have you tried MrRay73? It's the latest version, and I have the Scarbee Rhodes and see no reason to use it again. Try the latest version of MrRay73 (not MrRay) at 96kHz! OK - personal preference comes in here: you will not get the natural "defects" in the Scarbee sampled EP - depending on your sense of aesthetics that may or may not worry you. I like the more "perfect" sound that the model gives.

let's put it this way, if you want the most realistic replication of a rhodes,scarbee is the winner for me BUT besides that mrray73 sounds nice on its own and is very usable, and free!

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:24 am

Also be aware that in the Scarbee EULA that you have to agree to (after you have bought the product) you will be required to give credit to Scarbee. Considering that these are only samples of some instruments, I find that a bit rich. If we end up being contractally obliged to give album cover credits for every piece of software or equipment we use, there will be no end to it. But when a developer is getting rich by sampling somebody elses sounds, I see no point in giving them credit (beyond paying for the right to use it).

Another artistic decision you need to make is whether you want the same old sounds that everyone is now using.

Scarbee is selling his Rhodes samples for $199 from his site, and tries to justify this price with rhetoric. When you see a third party (who needs a cut) selling this for $99, tell me that there hasn't been some serious profiteering going on.

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:47 am

greendoor wrote:Also be aware that in the Scarbee EULA that you have to agree to (after you have bought the product) you will be required to give credit to Scarbee. Considering that these are only samples of some instruments, I find that a bit rich. If we end up being contractally obliged to give album cover credits for every piece of software or equipment we use, there will be no end to it. But when a developer is getting rich by sampling somebody elses sounds, I see no point in giving them credit (beyond paying for the right to use it).

i don't care about such things, if i payed for something. i understand why they want that, it's free advertising/marketing.

greendoor wrote: Another artistic decision you need to make is whether you want the same old sounds that everyone is now using.

thats not the point, if you want the most realistic, get scarbee, it's easy.

greendoor wrote: Scarbee is selling his Rhodes samples for $199 from his site, and tries to justify this price with rhetoric. When you see a third party (who needs a cut) selling this for $99, tell me that there hasn't been some serious profiteering going on.

there are many reasons, why something is sold with a lower price. maybe they want to get rid of the old ones, to have room for something new.
sampling is a lot of work and you must have knowledge, scarbee did well with his libraries until now. if it's too much money, don't use it or don't buy it or sell it but stop bitching around. the scarbee-price is ok regarding the very high quality of his sample-libraries.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:07 am

I've already bought the Scarbee rhodes and wurly - which is why i'm able to compare them very well against MrRay73 and MrTramp. They are fine for what they are. I am simply pointing out to other KVR'rs, who may not have the luxury of comparison, what I have found in my own personal experience. I'm not actually bitching - just pointing out things that potential buyers should know. And - to be fair - Mr Scarbee has behaved a little childishly over at cubase.net, and decided to attack me over here too. He seems to be intolerant of personal views that might suggest there is a better product out there. He's made his fame and fortune, let others have a go I say.

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:16 am

greendoor wrote:Scarbee is selling his Rhodes samples for $199 from his site, and tries to justify this price with rhetoric. When you see a third party (who needs a cut) selling this for $99, tell me that there hasn't been some serious profiteering going on.

I'll tell you why this is...

A sample vendor who also sells product through third-parties MUST set a price that is accepted to be "manufacturer's retail price". He then distributes his product to stores at a fraction of this price. These stores then add "markup" or "margin" to their cost to get the "sale price" or "street price" that most people pay.

If the sample vendor reduces his prices *under* street price, this engenders extremely ill-will against stores who carry the product. This kind of competition is not allowable because it is unfair and one-sided.

So yes, a sample package may be $199 on the vendor's site and $99 in the store. Is the vendor trying to screw people? No. That's just the way business works: he keeps his prices high so as to let the stores sell more than he does.

C'mon, we know you have a hard-on for Scarbee. Lay off a bit, okay? You're *not* coming off as the "good guy" at this point. Put more plainly, you're accusing him of questionable business practices when he is abiding by fair-play according to the rules of the industry. I don't know what went down at cubase.net, but I've only seen you attack him on KVR, and not the other way around.

It's one thing to say "MrRay73 is a comparable emulation for free", but you've now crossed the line into slander, either intentionally or by way of ignorance. In the future, I advise you to be more careful about what you say and how you say it.

- m

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:23 am

I don't own Scarbee but I have the NI Elektric Piano.
In my opinion MrRay73 (not MrRay) is an amazing realistic sounding Rhodes. (just add fx as needed)
I actually prefer MrRay73 when playing solo instrument but the Elektric Piano fits better in a mix with other instruments and it's more flexible. It is also (for better or worst) a much more polished sound.

In any case I think every Rhodes lover should have the MrRay73 in their arsenal.

GIRO · Post by **GIRO** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:26 am

It's MR RAY 73 to you guys!!
Love it!

Mr. ray 73:
http://home.comcast.net/~gsmedia/combo-colate.mp3
Produced by me.
Mr. Ray 73
Wizoo Bass
GSCW Drums
ALBINO 2

Jesse J · Post by **Jesse J** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:04 am

Hello!

Thanks for the tip on MrRay73!

I just downloaded it and patched it to my (real) guitar amp. I love the way I can adjust MrRay73 creaky and dirty with all these mechanical sounds happening...

It's a nice instrument.

You kow this Rhode thing is always funny, because people have totally different opinions on how a 'real rhode' should sound. I've never played two same sounding rhodes pianos in real life. They all have their special characters and depending on what amp you use, what speaker and so on they are all different beasts. And if you put an old Ibanez Phaser (guitar)pedal between a rhode and a fender twin amp the tone changes drastically, even on bypass, since it's not hardwire bypass and theres the germanium caps that fiddle with your treble in that nice way! !)

I never tried the scarbee RSP 73 so I think I'm a bit out of topic here.

Do you guys hook up your sampled/synth Rhodes to real amps or use modeling?
I'm interested in hearing some methods and results.

Mr.Scarbee · Post by **Mr.Scarbee** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:17 pm

greendoor wrote:Also be aware that in the Scarbee EULA that you have to agree to (after you have bought the product) you will be required to give credit to Scarbee. Scarbee is selling his Rhodes samples for $199 from his site, and tries to justify this price with rhetoric. When you see a third party (who needs a cut) selling this for $99, tell me that there hasn't been some serious profiteering going on.

Hi,

The thing about credit is an old relic from Giga days - Nemesys license. You don HAVE to credit Scarbee - but we appreciate it off course.

Since we now introduce the Vintage Keyboard Collection VSTi in US for $449 - Musicians Friends want to clear stock of our sample libs - hence the low price.

Mr.Scarbee · Post by **Mr.Scarbee** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:34 pm

[quote="Markleford"]

Thanks Markleford..

I just tried to create some good sounds and Fx - and inspire musicians - didn't make this to screw them..

Scarbee RSP 73 For $99@Musiciansfriend