shuffle 'n swing?

[steffensen]

i have this little problem,
thing is that i have made some nice beats in other instances like reaktor etc. where i've used swing as well as shuffle (where the difference now may be?), and now i wanna combine the beats i've made with simple sequencing in Logic for other stuff.

i have found a swing quantization in Logic to match decently to the swing i've used in the reaktor ensamble, even tho it does not match perfectly. thats like impossible to dig out.

i do have some ensambles that doesnt have the swing option to them tho, can i mix regular 1/16 wich swing?
i wonder if anyone else have stumbled into this kinda problem before? if so, did u find any solution, or have any other thoughts about it?

pretty much stuck in 1/16's here, wich not always makes the wheel to turn.

any kind of help, suggestions, hints would be most appreciated.

- steffensen

[TechNoiZ]

[steffensen]

ah yes, for loops, rex's and stuff. thats very handy! that doesnt apply to this matter much i'm afraid.
if i dont bounce the beats and stuff, and make rex's of them that is..
or just bounce the beat down, to make a quantize map of it, and then delete the loop, and keep the swing quantize map.
well, thats 1 suggestion anyway!

[Andywanders]

ah yes, for loops, rex's and stuff. thats very handy! that doesnt apply to this matter much i'm afraid.
if i dont bounce the beats and stuff, and make rex's of them that is..
or just bounce the beat down, to make a quantize map of it, and then delete the loop, and keep the swing quantize map.
well, thats 1 suggestion anyway!

Are you talking about MIDI or Audio..?

Either way, Logic can make a "User Groove Template" which you can use to quantise everything to.

Just RTM.

[steffensen]

RTM? i'm almost insulted. i know more than average bout logic actually, u just missed the issue here.

let me spell it out for you,

as of now, i have a drumbeat, i've made in a reaktor groovebox. dunno if u could call that midi? it aint audio in that way as when u can make groove templates tho.
what i have to do now, is to adjust logic with Swing quantization so it matches the groovebox swing as good as possible, as i want to run the groovebox live, and not bounce it. if i bounced it, i could make some kind of groove template yes, and the thought crossed my mind, it may actually be worth bouncing the beat out, just to be able to make a groove template. and then keep on using the groovebox live.

anyway, understand me better now?

btw, i have another sequenced synth ensamble in reaktor, wich dont have the Swing option, it can only prouce 1/16's, as far as i know. so dunno how to match the quantize of that with the rest of my Swing'ed beat.. wich is kinda the issue that drove me to this topic in the first place.
maybe someone are familiar with AKKORD? thats the sequenced synth ensamble anywhow..

[stale bread]

sounds like you got the answer right there, just bounce the track down and make the template, then adjust logic to the template and then erase that track and do what you were going to do.

[Andywanders]

sounds like you got the answer right there, just bounce the track down and make the template, then adjust logic to the template and then erase that track and do what you were going to do.

What he said.

BTW I didn't mean to insult you. Logic is a deep program (as you know) and sometimes users overlook things.

Stay cool.

[steffensen]

stale bread: yep..that was my intention also, just liked to hear anyone elses thought bout this matter.

Finbar Saunders: np man, and yea.. Logic is deep as f**k. but the possibillities are completely endless. i've made insane routings lately, and are still getting deeper and deeper. the transformer is a really nifty thing i gotta say.

[Andywanders]

Deep... Yor're not kidding. I've been using it since it first came out on the Atari and it still surprises me sometimes. Yeah, I like the transformer too, and the sysex faders.

BTW, something I've done a few times which often works well... Take the MIDI part of a REX file and use it as a groove template. Just a thought.

[[ Lex ]]

can you make a groove/tempo map for the bpm ?
If you bounce the grooved reaktor beat box and then make a tempomap of it, the straight 16 reaktor ens should follow the tempo change and swing like the rest of the song.

do I make sense ?

[steffensen]

Deep... Yor're not kidding. I've been using it since it first came out on the Atari and it still surprises me sometimes. Yeah, I like the transformer too, and the sysex faders.

BTW, something I've done a few times which often works well... Take the MIDI part of a REX file and use it as a groove template. Just a thought.

ah yes, faders is something i use all the time. it took some time to figure out how to make my BCR2000 to have a nice conversation with Logic, but after some transformers and faders, i managed to transform the midi cc signal to TBA and automate whatever i want, and then sending the TBA out to the BCR as OBA to make the lights go wherever the automation went. took some time to figure that out.

you're probly a lot better on logic if u've used it for so long tho. i've only used it for like 2-3 years now or so.. been routing and reading up like a mad scientist.

i've never made a midi template of anything yet, i know the drill tho. it sounds like a great option, very handy.

[steffensen]

can you make a groove/tempo map for the bpm ?
If you bounce the grooved reaktor beat box and then make a tempomap of it, the straight 16 reaktor ens should follow the tempo change and swing like the rest of the song.

do I make sense ?

you do make sense yea.. dunno if its possible tho. shure gonna look into it, thanks for the idea!

[steffensen]

dunno Lex, cant find any info or options on that idea. too bad, sounded pretty cool.