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TVD · Post by **TVD** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:15 am

Either way, anything is better than some of Sony's products right now.

Good or Bad, I hope Ableton continues to improve on Live so they will never lose their customers like what may be happening to Sony (maker of Acid Pro).

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:27 am

not a chance, unlike acid Live has satisfied customers already. there are features that some live users request, even me myself but by in large they are already satisfied with diff versions of Live just like your post heading iludes to. some live users don't even care about any version of Live past version 3 and wouldn't use on if they got it for free, others are very content with version 4 and then theres those like me that could count on one hand what they'd like to be added and wouldn't upgrade after that so I look
at live as being one of the apps that has if not dead-on, come closest to performing its
prime directive. I even think it will be difficult for ableton to develope it much further...they just might be the ones to put themselves out of business, I think acid at
least has a chance of a longer future cause it's customers are way more unsatisfied with
its current state.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:37 am

stale bread wrote:not a chance, unlike acid Live has satisfied customers already. there are features that some live users request, even me myself but by in large they are already satisfied with diff versions of Live just like your post heading iludes to. some live users don't even care about any version of Live past version 3 and wouldn't use on if they got it for free, others are very content with version 4 and then theres those like me that could count on one hand what they'd like to be added and wouldn't upgrade after that so I look
at live as being one of the apps that has if not dead-on, come closest to performing its
prime directive. I even think it will be difficult for ableton to develope it much further...they just might be the ones to put themselves out of business, I think acid at
least has a chance of a longer future cause it's customers are way more unsatisfied with
its current state.

Hummmm?

Kraku · Post by **Kraku** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:32 am

I kinda agree with Stale Bread

I've been thinking by the same lines lately when it comes to Ableton Live... It already has pretty much everything it was meant to do. What's to be improved in it? It's already near perfect. I can think only two things: PDC and track freeze. That's about it...

Maybe somekind of modular environment (like the Tracktion racks), but that can be done using EnergyXT already, so...

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:03 am

Live is nearly perfect?

Wow, I thought we Tracktioneers were a self-deluded bunch.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:12 am

Lunch Money wrote:Live is nearly perfect?

Wow, I thought we Tracktioneers were a self-deluded bunch.

Ah, but you've admitted time and again you have a lack of real experience with Live, so how could you really know, eh? it is quite the app and I can see how for some people it would be near perfect. Not for you, not quite for me, but it definitely is a cool application.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:20 am

I didn't say it wasn't cool. Just that it's not perfect.

apflaum · Post by **apflaum** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:24 am

the only thing wrong with live that i can see is the way that it handles midi editing, sequencing, WHATEVER you want to call it.

Everything else is amazing, but I much rather program stuff in cubase or reason.

apflaum · Post by **apflaum** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:25 am

thats why i think live works so well as a host for reason via rewire!

Kraku · Post by **Kraku** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:28 am

Lunch Money wrote:I didn't say it wasn't cool. Just that it's not perfect.

Ah-ha! But I said NEARLY perfect. There's a difference

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:28 am

I gotta give you that one.

dick · Post by **dick** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:10 am

yo live dudes

can you trigger individual synths from the rewire application, like subtractor and any other modules with the same flexibility as in the actually slave

if you dont know the answer i will be greatly dissapointed because someone told me that every answer can be found here

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:18 am

dick wrote: can you trigger individual synths from the rewire application, like subtractor and any other modules with the same flexibility as in the actually slave

Yes and no. Yes you can trigger synths and program their notes from within Live 4. You can also add VST effects to the individual instrument track. And you can ramp the tempo, etc, which you can't do within Reason itself.

But no, because if you wish to automate the synth's parameters (e.g. to do a filter weep) then this has to be done within Reason's sequencer.

This is not a limitation of Live - it is a limitation of the Rewire protocol, and is the same whichever host you choose to use Reason within.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:19 am

I don't understand the main question

Why would anyone revert from Live 4 to Live 3, when Live 4 is such a great application?

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:27 am

That's the question in its entirety. Some people are apparently not happy with Live 4. My understanding, though, was that most of the issues Live 4 users were having had to do with CPU consumption, which I gather was fixed in one of the first updates, no?

Greg

Have Live 4 made you leave OR run back to Live 3?