Cubase SX 3 - group tracks - weird behaviour

[respirator]

I'll try to describe this:

I have one project, where I keep getting a very weird group track error.

The project has three group tracks that's routed to another group track (routed to main). Suddenly the group track that summed the three sub group tracks stopped recieving any audio. Hm I thought. I deleted it, created another and re-routed. Everything works just fine. Then I save and close. Next time I open up the project the new group doesn't recieve any audio. Delete, new group track, re-route, everythings fine. Save, close and open. New, new group track isn't working.

What the f*** is going on?!?

[diverdee]

I fear the steinborg may be assimilating your group tracks.


On a more serious note, dunno, probably best to ask questions & hope someone knowledgeable like bas can offer some insight on the official steiny forums.

[respirator]

Tried that - no answer

[diverdee]

bugger, there used to be some really helpful dudes there.

[SJ_Digriz]

First question would be "what version of cubase?". Because, that was an issue in 1.0 before any patches. Which would lead one to believe you aren't using a legal copy, which is probably why nobody tried to help.

Now, if you are using SX-3 and have patched to the latest version, then you probably have a corrupt template and I could come up with some ways to get back to normal. There is no grouping bug in the current release.

[respirator]

First question would be "what version of cubase?". Because, that was an issue in 1.0 before any patches. Which would lead one to believe you aren't using a legal copy, which is probably why nobody tried to help.

I can assure you I don't user cracked sw. And I'm not entirely pleased with such a groundless accusation.

Now, if you are using SX-3 and have patched to the latest version, then you probably have a corrupt template and I could come up with some ways to get back to normal. There is no grouping bug in the current release.

The name of this thread is Cubase SX3... And I'm fully patched. This only happens for one project. But if you have any solutions, I'd be very pleased to hear them. A few more details: I've saved the project to a new folder. Didn't help. Just before the problem occured some other strange thing happened with the same group track. First the track was muted in the inspector view, but not in the project window. The mute in the inspector window seemed to be linked to a folder track . This strange link dissapeared when I first deleted the group track. But the main problem persists.

[SJ_Digriz]

I can assure you I don't user cracked sw. And I'm not entirely pleased with such a groundless accusation.

Sorry man, I didn't accuse you. I was explaining why you may have not received a reply. But it was my bad for not reading the thread header.

A few more details: I've saved the project to a new folder.

hmm...if you did it from the File->Save Project to New Folder, then that was going to be the first suggestion.

Just before the problem occured some other strange thing happened with the same group track. First the track was muted in the inspector view, but not in the project window. The mute in the inspector window seemed to be linked to a folder track.

The out of synch mute is a known bug. But it's super hard to duplicate. I can't remember if there is a workaround listed in the info-base or not.

Back to your main problem.

Now, don't take this the wrong way (as in, I'm not calling you stupid ) , but the last person that had this issue on Cubase.net had an automation mute event.

Another question would be: Is the actual output destination not being saved in the group tracks that feed the last group track?

The other thing that can cause this is seems to be if you had not set up the VST connections or changed the default VST connections while using the project. The way to fix it is to go into the VST Connections and make sure that you have every output listed in stereo pairs IN ORDER. Best thing to do would be to delete each out, then recreate them. Then select those new VST connections in the group tracks. Save->Exit and come back and see if that helps.

[respirator]

Sorry man, I didn't accuse you.
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No problem. And thanks for your swift and thorough reply.

... the last person that had this issue on Cubase.net had an automation mute event.

Nope. The track isn't muted. It simply does not recieve any audio. Ie. the meters are dead, and theres's no output.

Another question would be: Is the actual output destination not being saved in the group tracks that feed the last group track?

They're saved just fine. Still this happens.

The other thing that can cause this is seems to be if you had not set up the VST connections or changed the default VST connections while using the project. The way to fix it is to go into the VST Connections and make sure that you have every output listed in stereo pairs IN ORDER. Best thing to do would be to delete each out, then recreate them. Then select those new VST connections in the group tracks. Save->Exit and come back and see if that helps.

I use a template for my VST connection. And that wasn't altered. I just tried deleting the VST connection. No go. But I then saw that the group track was in a folder, that contained folders wherein the sub group tracks is placed. So maybe a folder in folder with group track bug? And indeed. When placed in the default "group track" folder, that Cubase makes it self when creating a group track - it worked. So lesson: Don't place your group tracks in folders (I think I've done that before though?!?!).

[SJ_Digriz]

When placed in the default "group track" folder, that Cubase makes it self when creating a group track - it worked. So lesson: Don't place your group tracks in folders (I think I've done that before though?!?!).

DOH - This is another known bug in the info-base. NO GROUP TRACKS IN FOLDERS.

[respirator]

I saw that. That's stupid - well that's the nature of bugs I guess.