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metalball · Post by **metalball** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:37 am

I would like to know how come I cant record automation from my MIDI controller...
I'm using Cubase SX 2 host and Radium 61 controller,
and when I try to record automation to a vst plugin,
it wont record... but its recording from mouse, when I'm playing with a knob...
is there any way to link the controller for recording?
thanx.

M'Snah · Post by **M'Snah** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:40 am

I can't help you, but: You might get more response when you edit your post and put Cubase in the subject line.

Edit: too late now, but I sent you pm about it

metalball · Post by **metalball** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:43 am

well, I cant change it now...

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:49 am

Unlike mouse type automation which is recorded as part of the mixer, midi automation in Cubase is recorded as midi - you can either record it on your existing vsti midi track or set up a seperate midi track.

metalball · Post by **metalball** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:52 am

yes, it does record it to a midi track as bars,
but when I'm changing my automation I'm changin it on the instrument, not at the track, so it would be easier to change it...

metalball · Post by **metalball** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:54 am

so basicly I cant record my automation with the MIDI as well as with my mouse??

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:54 am

As I said, record the midi control data to another track with the same midi channel as the vsti you want to control.

metalball · Post by **metalball** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:56 am

I see...
and could I merge this data to automation from midi track?

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:59 am

metalball · Post by **metalball** » Mon May 16, 2005 12:00 pm

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Mon May 16, 2005 12:04 pm

metalball wrote:so basicly I cant record my automation with the MIDI as well as with my mouse??

1. The VSTi you want to automate has MIDI input, right? Otherwise the MIDI recording had no sense, I guess...

2. The VST should also be able to output (forward back to the host) that MIDI data IF YOU WANT TO RECORD TH MOUSE MOVEMENTS VIA MIDI. Only this way the host application has the chance to record *tweaked* GUI controls it in realtime via MIDI on a channel...

3. You should be able to setup your VSTi in a way, where it is possible to record the MIDI while playing the VSTi (with Cubase that's easiely possible). Maybe use extra MIDI channels for each controler...

Playing the VSTi is always on a MIDI channel. But VST automation on a VST channel. That are two different shoes. So why cant you record the MIDI input? Probably you try to record MIDI on a VST channel. This don't work.

While VST automation only can automate one channel (by default), MIDI is able to automate up to 16 channels simultanuous...

Don't mix up the concepts of automation.

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon May 16, 2005 12:06 pm

have you enabled midi learn on the synth you want to automate and assigned the knob on your controller to that particular paramater on the synth?

metalball · Post by **metalball** » Mon May 16, 2005 12:07 pm

could you give an example of a VSTi that I could "plug" my MIDI into??

metalball · Post by **metalball** » Mon May 16, 2005 12:09 pm

CypherOne
do you mean the W/R buttons??
the knobs on my midi changes the value of the knobs of the VST but doesnt record it to automation track

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon May 16, 2005 12:09 pm

VSTi use regular automation, not MIDI automation unless the VSTi has implemented MIDI CC control. What VSTi are we talking about?

In the cases where the VST doesn't support MIDI CC control you have to use the GRC to map the MIDI CCs to the VSTi controls. It is not the easiest thing to use in the world.

could anyone tell me why I cant record automation?