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Frippertronix · Post by **Frippertronix** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:33 am

Probably asked before within the past day or two, but if so I didn't see it.

Can you list your #1 non-convolution VST 'verb, and your # 1 convolution VST 'verb?

Thanks much!

Dave

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:45 am

Algorithmic: ArtsAcoustic goes straight to #1 with a bullet.

Previous favorites:
Glaceverb
Magnus Ambiance
Silverspike
Ultrafunk

Convolution: considering SIR is free, it's hard to beat. Latency isn't a problem at mix time. The various Voxengo versions possibly sound slightly better with the same samples. That's subjective though - sometimes in A/B'ing i'll prefer SIR.

But - I have to say that i'm growing a bit weary of collecting and scrolling through impulse samples. Especially when most of the sounds I like are algorithmic anyway. With AAR having so many flavours and parameters, I know I can dial up any reverb I need for a mix. At the end of the day, reverb is reverb and I need to get on with making music.

jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:50 am

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned TC Native Reverb in a while. (Well, I guess because TC has given up on VST and moved on to Powercore).

But it sounds fantastic, no stability issues, very CPU friendly. Just a good workhorse native reverb.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:59 am

I had TC Native demo a couple of years ago and didn't like it. Could have bought it cheap, but didn't see the need. A lot has happened reverbs very recently. I thought Glaceverb was a breath of fresh air, but then ArtsAcoustic came out of nowhere.

I see that Wizooverb is Challenge/Response. Do dot.coms ever go bust? Will they be there to authenticate your product in 2 years time when you buy a new PC? Come on - how stupid do we look?

Frippertronix · Post by **Frippertronix** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:01 am

Re: convolution. I use the native Gigastudio 3 impulse based 'verb and I've found the included impulses to be a mixed bag, often just making the pure instrument more boxy sounding more than doing anything else. I'm waiting to hear Larry Seyer's new impulse library for the Giga 'verb.

So far I'm a bit disappointed in convolution for reverb, though I've like some of the equipment impulses I've used.

Thanks for the input.

Dave

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:02 am

Its really difficult to answer this because its very 'track' specific. I mean, one day RenVerv will be sounding great, but the next it wont! So I think that reverbs are one tool you can never get enough of. I have loads of commercial and freeware reverbs, and i use them all.

The one i used most though is probably still RenVerb. This one isnt up to the standard of the nicer hardware verbs, but it is good enough for more circumstances. Quite often i have a couple of RenVerbs and an IR1 verb set up in Cubase, so that i can mix the synthetic and convolved sounds. This often works pretty well.

I guess that probably answers the second question too! I use IR1 for convolution. I bought it cuz i love the Waves gear and I have all their other plugs. To be honest though, after trying Pristine Space Im beginning to wonder why i bothered. The features in IR1 done make up for the short comings of convolution, so really all you pay for if the library of ir's. They are quite nice, but probably not as good as the Altiverb ir's.

So, my final answer would probably have to be:

- Renverb
- Pristine Space

I do also have Princeton reverb, and this one is really good. But, i think its too limited to have my top spot. The quality is there, but it doesnt do much well beyond 'lead vocal' type effects. I'll level, imo there is a big void in the market which is croaking to be filled by a general purpose, hi-end reverb plug in. TDM users get Reverb One, but in VST land we're up the creak. That said, TC have just announced some new verbs for Powercore so it might be a good time to invest in the 'element'!

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:03 am

I had TC Native demo a couple of years ago and didn't like it. Could have bought it cheap, but didn't see the need. A lot has happened reverbs very recently. I thought Glaceverb was a breath of fresh air, but then ArtsAcoustic came out of nowhere.

I see that Wizooverb is Challenge/Response. Do dot.coms ever go bust? Will they be there to authenticate your product in 2 years time when you buy a new PC? How stupid do we look?

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:11 am

I do also have Princeton reverb, and this one is really good. But, i think its too limited to have my top spot. The quality is there, but it doesnt do much well beyond 'lead vocal' type effects. I'll level, imo there is a big void in the market which is croaking to be filled by a general purpose, hi-end reverb plug in. TDM users get Reverb One, but in VST land we're up the creak. That said, TC have just announced some new verbs for Powercore so it might be a good time to invest in the 'element'!

Yeah - the Princeton has something going for it, but it's very limited, and not as smooth as you would expect. I was thinking (dreaming) about a Powercore. I have to disagree about the "big void" - I think ArtsAcoustic just plugged it. It's the one to beat.

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:16 am

REEEAAALLLYYY...

Dont tempt me mate, I cant afford anymore pluggins!

Seriously though, this is a good one then? I heard some talk about it, but I prefer to let the hype die down before i buy new pluggins. Sounds like i should check this one out though.

btw Has anyone tried those new TC reverbs? They're apparently straight out of the 6000

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:29 am

I think you should at least try the AAR demo. It will give you a reference to compare everything against. In my dreaming about a TC Powercore, I found that the reverbs that come bundled with the unit still don't do the inverse stuff I wanted. You have to pay extra for that, and I suppose they have challenge/response or something. All the problems of software, coupled with all the problems of hardware. I'm sure it's good, but I can't afford it. Based on the convolution impulses I have, I prefer the TC3000 to the TC6000.

bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:51 am

You know, it doesn't come to mind as a reverb, but that reverb that comes with reaktor is pretty amazing. Outside of convolution, it was my favorite, against all the powercore and UAD1 plugins I have on my machine.

But I am, of course, a greendoor convert. The AAR is really quick, light, and easy, and impresses everybody. It's probably not the end of reverb for me . . . there's a bunch of nice things about a lot of the plugins . . . but it's got what I need in a first-line reverb for sure.

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:04 am

Guess this isn't the time to run up and down the hall screaming: "Freeverb!"

I like Airies Verb and Classic Verb. And SIR. Glaceverb is good on some stuff too. Want to try the AAR demo, not just now. No one has yet mentioned M2 or R66, why is that?

digitalmessiah · Post by **digitalmessiah** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:08 am

sorry to hijack the thread but what reverbs would be cool for fx. i like reverbs to give my loops a metallic sound.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:33 am

Have you tried a short delay with some feedback - in the area of 50 milliseconds, give or take. Fine tune in millisecond steps for different colors. That can give that metallic sewer pipe sound. (Too many VST delays just sync to tempo, so find one that you can tune in milliseconds). Most reverbs can be abused for effect. AAR is really great for wierd reverb effects.

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:59 am

digitalmessiah wrote:sorry to hijack the thread but what reverbs would be cool for fx. i like reverbs to give my loops a metallic sound.

Airies Verb is all over that if you push it.

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