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No name · Post by **No name** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:24 am

I was curious, how did you feel about korg joining in, and steinberg teaming up with Yamaha? How do you feel about the big companies joining in on software?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:26 am

i beleive the great philosopher d.ream once said "things can only get better"

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:28 am

I dunno Akai went to numark, now it appears their vsts are done...anything going to numark isn't getting better

No name · Post by **No name** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:31 am

I know I reallllyyy would love to see roland do something big. What do you think of the future, and how it will shape? Will the big companies get into it more? If so, what directions you think they would go?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:31 am

i only beleive it was said by d.ream i do not beleive it will happen

eternal pessimist here remember,my glass is always empty

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:41 am

vurt wrote:i only beleive it was said by d.ream i do not beleive it will happen
eternal pessimist here remember,my glass is always empty

piss in it...

mark77 · Post by **mark77** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:44 am

I associate big companies with quality. Yes, there are some VSTs that are very very good that were made by passionate bedroom programmers, however big companies seem to know their shit (except roland) when it comes to designing good software. When the VST scene was all new a few years ago, people were constantly having debates like "is software better than hardware". The reason for that was theat the technology was all new and the VSTs were relatively simple and weak so yes hardware still sounded better. When native instruments entered the game, along with gmedia, and arturia and korg thats when i knew that some good shit was gonna happen.Now all these companies esp. native instruments have grown into massive businesses and i am thankful for it. With all that money being pumped into development and quality assurance you can almost guarantee that every release of their will be quality. I'm a great believer in quality over quantity.. ie. give me just a couple of vst synths that really do sound awesome, as opposed to 100s of free ones that sound like shit. I appreaciate all the hard work small developers put into their products but in my view big companies have helped out the vst scene by giving it a good reputation. So i think even more big companies should get into the scene. In particular Clavia and Roland should do something. I think Roland are idiots for still not coming out with any vsts (i know of Edirol but i want vst with the Roland brand on them) and i think Clavia are just tunnelvisioned and backward for not releasing any software yet (their nord modular software doesnt count) so yeah.. thats what i think.

Steven West · Post by **Steven West** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:48 am

I get a strange feeling about it..?

It would be like when Technics got into the synth market, or Roland got into the recording market... Not that they're bad gear by any means, but there's just something 'out of place' about them, and they are never taken serious above 'fun and easy' by the 'proffesional industry users'. Maybe times have changed, but if Toshiba came out with a keyboard or Yamaha comes out with a computer (again) - we'd probably see the reaction that should be best given to these big hardware companies getting into the software racket currently?

But it's really in the talent they hire and the delivery to the public after the talent is confident of it's designs.
(Corporations just went 'Huh?' I bet.

)

meeks · Post by **meeks** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:01 am

Korg did a fine job, but no support (i.e. a devoted web page for the customers with useful info or presets to download).

It's like that the other way around too West, when NI put out that $4,000,000 controller for the B4...just couldn't pull it off.

And at this point, so late in the game (wierd to say that) is it worth these big companies getting into a market that has been saturated with independents that can easily smoke most programmers due to experience. They could hire them out, but I feel it would only be worthwhile to make emulations at this point. I don't foresee Roland breaking ground with any new synth anytime soon that absynth 2 hasn't allready smoked (no typo on that folks).

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:09 am

or Roland got into the recording market...

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:16 am

Bollocks. Roland is sitting on a goldmine of samples that is begging to be used for VST. They have classic recognisable machines that still define some musical genres. The internet is awash with samples taken from these machine, but Roland have the raw data (at least I hope they still do). Of course, by modern standards, a lot of these sounds are crap. Even more reason for them to not be reluctant about releasing them. Of particular interest would be some of their older pianos and things. For example - I have a Roland RD100. I can't be bothered using midi and recording it's audio outputs - so I just use it as a weighted keyboard. It uses about 20 meg of samples, but damn! it sounds good. I rate it better than some of my multi-gigabyte piano libraries. It's got that Roland piano sound - and because they have looped everything to perfection, and they layer all the stuff when you use the sustain - etc, etc it's a brilliant musical instrument. All with only 20 meg of samples! This is the expertise and years of research and deveopment that the new kids on the block don't have. The RD100 is history now - so why don't they sell this as a VST? I would use it (although it needs serious phase correction so it doesn't suck when mono'd). But that was just an example. They could do much better if they wanted to, and I would be happy to buy - PROVIDED THERE WAS NO CHALLENGE?RESPONSE CRAP. I want my software to work in the FUTURE, right after i've bought a new PC for example.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:27 am

no I was questioning the comment about roland getting into recording...I found that odd seeing how they have been at it for years

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:47 am

greendoor wrote:Bollocks. Roland is sitting on a goldmine of samples that is begging to be used for VST.

No kidding. My XV-5080, with a handful of cards, is my main axe, and I like it that way. It's great. Granted, I haven't done much lately, but, I hardly have any desire for anything except my Waldorf and that Roland.

doogs · Post by **doogs** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:10 am

Roland have done softsynths under the guise of Edirol.

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/hq_orchestral.html
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/superQuartet.html
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/hyperCanvas.html

hardly ground breaking though, considering the resources they have up their sleeves. The GUI's are pretty terrible too.

Korg's efforts are OK but the wavestation could have been so much better. A VST of the Z1 would be killer. They need to get some help with the GUI's too. The legacy collection ones are dreadful.

Yamaha has vocaloid which was not very well recieved. I think they do a lot more software for the japanese markets.

So I don't think the big companies understand the market very well and are not going to make much of an impact.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:16 am

If Roland really gave a damn, then where is the D-50 VSTi/DXi already?

What do you think about big companies joining the VST world?