AT&T Natural Voices -- lisense debacle

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I'm pissed off.

See, I found a web site from AT&T that lets you type in text and have their speech synthesizer speak it, and you can download the sounds as wav files. Blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, I downloaded wav files of that thing (called Text To Speech, TTS) reciting the Lewis Carroll poem Jabberwocky from Through The Looking Glass. I used it in a song, which came out really, really good. BUT the damned AT&T site says you can't use downloaded speech for "commercial or professional" purposes unless you obtain a license. So I started a chain of emails to AT&T and the company that's selling the license for TTS (the commercial product goes by the name Natural Voices or something like that).

To their credit, AT&T responded really quickly to my emails, first saying that it was okay to use short vocal snips in non-commercial music "as long as it is not a substantial amount of the work you do." Like a few seconds of voice in a 3 minute song.

Well, the whole poem is the focus of my song, so I asked for clarification and the AT&T guy answers, "Hmm, better get a license for that." So I look at the web page for Natural Voices and I see that a Developers Kit costs $295. I don't want to develop a system using speech synthesis, so I email them asking if there is any other way to get a license that isn't a developers kit.

The answer they sent was that it sounded like I need a Runtime license. "If you want to distribute the intellectual property--copies of the speech engine or audio produced by it--then you need a distributor license." AKA a Runtime license. Those cost only $7.50 per use . . . But you have to purchase a minimum of 200 of them . . . Yes, $1,500!

So I had basically asked how I can get a cheaper license than $300 and their answer was, by paying $1,500 :-o :shock: :-o

All this trouble just to try and post a 2 minute song here for free download.

Anybody have enough legal savy to see a way through this? It ticks me off that they consider audio output from their software as their intellectual property. To me that's like a piano manufacturer claiming every song you play on their piano is intellectual property owned by them . . . shell out $7.50 per song played on that piano for the Runtime lisense.

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ha! im doin the jabberwocky too
i just got a few people to read it for me tho :)
use the forum luke use the forum!
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Wouldn't you also need permission from the copyright holder to use Jabberwocky?

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vurt wrote:ha! im doin the jabberwocky too
i just got a few people to read it for me tho :)
use the forum luke use the forum!
No one can recite it quite like Audrey can. She's the voice font I used for the song.

Check her out at: http://www.naturalvoices.att.com/demos/

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clueless wrote:Wouldn't you also need permission from the copyright holder to use Jabberwocky?


perhaps,but as i doubt it will make me famous im not really bothered.however if they still pursued a court case it may help one get noticed so swings n roundabouts eh?
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aye, appen.

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Well are you planning on selling your song and releasing it commercially (i.e., selling/profiting from it)? I'm assuming so, but if you're not, the license seems to indicate you'd be free to use it as much as you want (again as long as you're not selling/profiting from it).
I'm sorry this post wasn't about techno.

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1.) I think All of Lewis Caroll's works are in the public domain, so no worries.

2.) AFAIK, if you are allowed to download the wav file output from the AT&T site, and you then use it in a free, non-commercial song posted to as yet another (similar to AT&T) website for people to listen to for free, and you at least credit AT&T in the post, then no one would ever object.

You've just been caught in a bit of that part of the corporate machinery that's always broken, i.e. they have no bloody idea how to deal with Mr John Q. Public...
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Just put a disclaimer on the song saying the song is not "commercial or professional" and don't charge for it, and you have abided as reasonably as can be expected with the usage license. Send them an email saying you are willing to send them $7.50 and that is all you are willing to pay. EDIT: If they make a fuss, just pull the song or swap the vocal part.
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vurt wrote:...if they still pursued a court case it may help one get noticed...
Yeah, I considered sending AT&T an email telling them to stuff it and publish the song anyway hoping they'd sue and I could get on Good Morning America for some free publicity . . . "I'm an artist, making zero money on this and THE MAN comes crashing down, opressing the little guy" and all that.

But my wife doesn't think that's wise :?

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Tell them your stephen hawking, you want to try out a new career as a transvestite poet and that's why you need audreys voice, then throw a hissy fit saying they are discriminating against you because you're disabled and sexually unsure.

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Makeshift Hammer wrote:Tell them your stephen hawking, and you want to try out a new career as a transvestite poet and that's why you need audreys voice, then throw a hissy fit saying they are discriminating against you because you're disabled and sexually unsure.
:D Have you heard MC Hawking? Hilarious. :hihi:

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emdot_ambient wrote:
Makeshift Hammer wrote:Tell them your stephen hawking, and you want to try out a new career as a transvestite poet and that's why you need audreys voice, then throw a hissy fit saying they are discriminating against you because you're disabled and sexually unsure.
:D Have you heard MC Hawking? Hilarious. :hihi:
I got a Phd in pain and a masters in disaster,
the mighty Stephen Hawking is a f**king QuakeMaster.
:lol:

MC Hawking rocking with Rage Against the Machine.

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