KVR Audio

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:53 am

Boss CE-1 Chorus for UAD-1 users is now available.
14 day demo at:

http://www.uaudio.com/

I'll post my review as soon as I get a chance to play with it.

skrasms · Post by **skrasms** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:17 am

It's pretty fun, but $99? They have $1500+ compressor models going for $150, yet it's only $50 less for a model of a pedal that can be bought second hand for $300 (considerably less for a beat up one that still sounds fine)? I just don't see the economics of the situation.

Maybe it'll just blow my mind as I mess with it more.

_oswald · Post by **_oswald** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:51 am

skrasms wrote:It's pretty fun, but $99? They have $1500+ compressor models going for $150, yet it's only $50 less for a model of a pedal that can be bought second hand for $300 (considerably less for a beat up one that still sounds fine)? I just don't see the economics of the situation.

Maybe it'll just blow my mind as I mess with it more.

...and for $99 you get an effect you can use in real-time on as many tracks as your UAD-1 card(s) can support and it's also cheaper than a single CE-1 pedal (even a beat-up one).

I'm not a big chorus fan myself, but I'll probably check this out in the future.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:13 am

OK I gave it a quick spin.
It is a very simple and fun plug.
Sounds very "analog" and very "warm".
Thou I never used the original Boss it seems to me that they went to great lengths to capture to soul of the original Boss.

[UPDATE:] 7% DSP power for a single UAD card. (1% memory)

All in all great but I won't buy this plug.
As good as it is, it's nowhere near my favorite chorus:
Kjaerhus GMO-1
It's still the plug to beat, hopefully the Dimension D will do it.

funkynuts · Post by **funkynuts** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:17 am

I WANT MY SPACE ECHO!!!

BobYordan · Post by **BobYordan** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:15 am

I used to own a Roland Jazz chorus amp, if this effect sounds like that one did on my rhodes, then it is a must for me.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:32 am

AndrewSimon wrote: Thou I never used the original Boss it seems to me that they went to great lengths to capture to soul of the original Boss.

That made me chuckle.

"Although I have no idea what X is supposed to sound like, in my opinion Y sounds like X."

Classic.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:49 am

The CE-1 should be a fairly easy plugin to rip-off. As far as I know, it's just a simple sinewave chorus - but the magic is in the analog bucket brigade delay. They were basically IC's with thousands of FET's and capacitors, so the signal got pretty lo-fi at the other end (much dirtier than mag tape echo). Both Voxengo and Kjaerhus have given us examples of emulating a BBD chip - the Classic Delay, and Voxengo AF Chorus. Two very different approaches. But neither give us a CE-1, or a Dimension for that matter. If the GMO-1 had the Analog code from the Classic Delay, that would be an awesome chorus. The Voxengo AF Chorus has 8 delay lines, so that's fairly complex and more like a Dimension. The Roland Dimension effects used a square-wave LFO, which made the chorus effect sound more like a pitch shift chorus that switched every second or so, but with enought delay lines so it wasn't obvious. Actually, the digital Dimension was crap because you could hear the square wave chorus switching. The lo-fi BBD chip was necessary, because it gave an extreme low-pass effect that gave a creamy warm sound. Between Torben and Aleksy, they both have the technology to give us very good CE-1 and Dimension effects if they wanted to ... here's hoping, because i'm not going to buy any challenge/response plugin.

Hermetech Mastering · Post by **Hermetech Mastering** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:37 pm

championrabbit wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote: Thou I never used the original Boss it seems to me that they went to great lengths to capture to soul of the original Boss.
That made me chuckle.

"Although I have no idea what X is supposed to sound like, in my opinion Y sounds like X."

Classic.

yeah, me too! imho it's absolute rubbish to talk about stuff you have never even heard before!

i'm an analogue otaku, and own the roland re-301 space echo and dimension d etc, digital is still far away from capturing the sound of analogue, so spend your money on something REAL not virtual shit!!!

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:20 pm

championrabbit wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote: Thou I never used the original Boss it seems to me that they went to great lengths to capture to soul of the original Boss.
That made me chuckle.

"Although I have no idea what X is supposed to sound like, in my opinion Y sounds like X."

Classic.

Oh well, what I meant is that this thing sounds very "analog" like, very "vintage".
And by that I mean "dirty" , "noisy" and "warm", but in a good way.
I was a teenager in the 70's and I played with a lot of analog toys, so I think I can spot a plug that sounds like those.
There is a lot hype about these "analog" devices.
Yes they are wonderful in a way but really too noisy and unpredictable (no two sound the same)to be used in today's recording standards.

The era of VST will arrive when developers will stop trying to emulate old "vintage gear" and will start seriously building new and better plugs.
Plugs that will blow away the so called "vintage" gear once and for all.
I am sure it can be done and I am sure it's only a matter of time.
We need "VST designer artists" not "king of copycats".

JeffSanders · Post by **JeffSanders** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:30 pm

I tried it yesterday and was impressed, but it doesn't hold a candle to the Voxengo AFChorus. That chorus is unreal.
I pray the Space Echo comes out by the time I do final mixes for my forthcoming cd!

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:42 pm

Yes im looking forward to the SPACE ECHO , CE-1 using similar amount of DSP power as the Plate140 reverb is kinda off putting to me , hell im running 2 cards if they bring out other hungrey plugins in the future i'll have to buy a new board as ive no PCI slots left (Before you mention it 'NO' magma are too expensive)

Im still running version 3.8 don't think this plug is worth the update hassle. (horses for courses)

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:42 pm

I've got an orinal super chorus pedal

but the thing I like best about it is it's stereo function...goes good with my sansamp...but that's a lot of money...as for the space echo....what would a quiet one soundlike?

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:47 pm

I like this chorus. I think it adds a nice lush sound to keys and lead instruments. Fattens up basses. This is definitely worth $99. Nice one UA.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:50 pm

This thread?

She is all that is crap about KVR.

Not that KVR is crap, but KVR? She has some crapness.

Boss CE-1 Chorus for UAD-1 is now available