multisampled drums & processing - funk/jazz styles?

[alan alda jnr.]

I'm looking for a nice big multisampled kit that might be geared more towards these styles. I've heard demos of dfh, scarbee drums, and nskit, but all these sound like modern rock kits (at least in the demos). Are the differences in drum sounds more down to the drums themselves, or the processing done afterwards?

To me, it's possible to make hifi digital audio sound like (note "like") abbey road, if only bouncing to analog with analog processors. So if i want to recapture some of that 70s funk and even rock drum sound, what are the recommendations? In my record collection I hear such a wide palette of acoustic drum sounds, but then with all these wonderfully sampled drum kits, although they sound great with amazing definition, to me sound too dry (I know that is the idea with at least some of them) or too flat.

Then I put on a Grant Green record, or David Axelrod record, and the kicks have that punch, the snares have that crispness to them...

[z15]

have you checked out dfh vintage & custom? it might suit you.

[declassified]

sample old funk/soul vinyl and slice.

[butter]

you can always eq to taste and throw it through some tape compression. Too dry? Add reverb. There's no perfect formula for that particular sound so you're going to have to experiment till you find something that sounds like what you're looking for.

I think the most important part to getting that sound is clever programming of the dynamics. It should be mostly consistent but with slight variations. The more velocity layers you can get, the better. The more control over ambience, the better.

[original flipper]

HI

A couple of KILLA funk style sample CD's are Funk Stew & Freaky, Jazzy, Funky by Big Fish - they have all what you need and more.

Flipper.

[alan alda jnr.]

declassified>> I do sample a lot myself, but i'm looking for a bit more dynamics on some drums, esp cymbals. So this means multisampling to me.

butter>> I have been mucking around with processing in all different ways, using some guitar rig modules and comps & verbs etc, but I'm yet to find the sound I want. I''ve tried processing nskit, and even tried putting the dry mp3 demos of sid and dfh through some processing. Should I really focus on getting the right sample lib, and then with good processing i'll get my sound? Or, should I go with mostly any (dfh, sid, nskit) lib and spend a lot of time getting the processing right?

Anyone know any good resources for processing drums esp. for funk/jazz/vintage sound, or have some good tips?

flipper>> i'm checkin out those cd's but i'm not much into loops, i like sampling myself. i'm looking for multisamples really.

thanks for the replies.

[loachm]

... remembered that:

http://www.funkequipment.com/libraries.html

[Distorted_Mastermind]

Funk drums in the 70's had a pretty dirty and raw sound about them (which I like). My favorate way of doing it has already been stated.......that's sample it off vinyl and slice it up. A great thing about funk is many songs start with drum intros.
If you are looking for 100% legal samples then mess around with overdrive and amp simulation plugins...also experiment with different compression settings too. Either of those will do the trick. Rule of thumb for me would be if I can find the sound I want, and can find it then I should use it rather than trying to engineer a sound that I already have.
It's the old you can pollish a terd, but it's still a terd philosophy I try to go by when making music

[loachm]

... found also a review about it (German only) - but you can find audio examples of the kits made with the included midi-files at the end of the page. to sum up: the author of the test liked the library but complained about missing samples for the right hand and the poor programming of the midi-files - but for that money it seems quite interesting...

http://homerecording.de/modules/news/ar ... tem_id=407

[Angus_FX]

You should check out the BFD demos @ http://www.fxpansion.com if you didn't already. It has a couple of 60s/70s kits that should work well for funky stuff, as well as a '40s Slingerland jazz kit. The overheads and ambients on BFD have a good room-y sound.

You'll still need to process, though.. the UAD-1 card has some great emulations of vintage analog compressors and EQ.

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[alan alda jnr.]

If you are looking for 100% legal samples then mess around with overdrive and amp simulation plugins...

sampling solo drums is 100% legal AFAIK.

loachm>> those Funk Equipment libs are actually pretty damn nice! I wonder what drums/processinghtey used.

I'm still looking for that sound. Just about to go and dig up some old records...

[z15]

sampling solo drums is 100% legal AFAIK.

if they're from records made by someone else than you then no it isn't... it's entirely another thing whether you'll ever get caught or not (especially if you're not using whole breaks but just constructing stuff from little parts sampled off them) and whether anyone cares really.

[dusted william]

check this out

http://www.beladmedia.com/studiob.htm

A demo I heard was just amazing.

dw

[alan alda jnr.]

sampling solo drums is 100% legal AFAIK.

if they're from records made by someone else than you then no it isn't... it's entirely another thing whether you'll ever get caught or not (especially if you're not using whole breaks but just constructing stuff from little parts sampled off them) and whether anyone cares really.

i don't tend to use breaks, but i was under the impression that under copyright law (US at least), you can't claim ownership of a drum solo. As soon as you put anything else in there, it's legally a musical composition, but not until then. If you hear a nice break, and you play it out exactly on your own kit, AFAIK, that's fine. I did think it was the same for a sample of solo drums, but now I'm not so sure. Anybody know for sure? But if you're cutting it up beyond recognition, first of all who's going to be able to tell, and even then, who would care?