TSW samples problems

[Mallory]

Reposting this here, since this now seems likes the best place for it

While checking out the samples in TSW I have come across a couple of issues which are bugging me.

Firstly, I find that some of the samples are slightly 'off key' with respect to the standard pitch. Usually by only a few cents but enough for my ears to detect. This is annoying but not a show stopper since I can, and indeed am, listen to each as compared to a reference sample (Waveforms->Saw) and note down what fine tuning is required for it to sound in tune (to my ears).

"Clav Wave 8" is one of the worst culprits I have found so far.

Secondly there's some weirdness in some of the Guitar samples:-

"Ac Guitar Ny" has apparently a maximum pitch above which notes all sound the same pitch! Is there some sort of inherent keyzoning in the sample itself I wonder?

"Ac Guitar HSP" is really unfortunate as I find that if I play notes up my keyboard I will reach a point where a B-flat is missed out and thus all keys higher up are shifted down a semitone! Surely this cannot be what was intended, can it ?

Additionally, I have just found that "OB Poly Synth" is missing several notes whereby it jumps an entire octave from D# to E at one point. Also noting that those higher octave notes sound horribly out of tune compared to the lower ones

Oops, I should add "P5 Synth" to the list - also jumps an octave at one point

[kpr]

Thanks for moving the post to here. Please allow a little while for the sample replacement of some buggy TSW samples. We´ve didn´t the conversion of the TSW samples to WS format as we withdrawed this job to someone else and we´ve paid for. And as you already noticed there are some problem samples left, unfortunately. But since everything is back in our hands now we have to figure out all items from the reported bugtracker list first, we already have one here with several items, and then we´ll replace them with fixed versions. So keep on having your ears open and add to the bugtracker list what you´ll find and we´ll replace all of them with flawless versions.

[nuisance sonore]

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[kpr]

It´s an inhouse bugtracker list, so if you´ve found any additional strange behaviour sample then just post it here. Please consider that some one-shot samples might be playable for a limited key range only.

We´ve already checked all listed samples and there is an older thread in the wusik forum where I´ve posted several comments to the specific samples.

In total there were 7 samples listed. The AcGuitar Ny behaviour couldn´t be fixed, same with Oriental Orchestra 2 as the upper range is making aliasing effects. For Dulcimer 2 we recommend a Fine Tune adjustment of -0.12 and for Clav Wave 8 of +0.15. The root keys mapping of AcGuitar HSP is wrong.

For a practical handling for all TSW customers we´ve decided to provide 50 MBs bonus samples free of charge and recommend to delete the AcGuitar HSP sample from the SoundSets folder.

[kpr]

Additionally, I have just found that "OB Poly Synth" is missing several notes whereby it jumps an entire octave from D# to E at one point. Also noting that those higher octave notes sound horribly out of tune compared to the lower ones

Oops, I should add "P5 Synth" to the list - also jumps an octave at one point

Yes, the jump sounds like a keyboard split, so fortunately this is not too bad. To avoid confusing you can keep them and add the newly mapped and named versions. Both are available on request. Send a mail to info@backintimerecords.de for your download links.

[JamminFool]

Additionally, I have just found that "OB Poly Synth" is missing several notes whereby it jumps an entire octave from D# to E at one point. Also noting that those higher octave notes sound horribly out of tune compared to the lower ones

Oops, I should add "P5 Synth" to the list - also jumps an octave at one point

Yes, the jump sounds like a keyboard split, so fortunately this is not too bad. To avoid confusing you can keep them and add the newly mapped and named versions. Both are available on request. Send a mail to info@backintimerecords.de for your download links.

i'm a little confused.

i was sent 2 replacement WusikSND files: one is called 'P5 Synth' (the same name as exists, but came in a zip file called TSW_P5Synth_fixed.zip)

and the other is called 'OB Polysynth_tuned' (a different name than exists, but came in a zip file called TSW_OBPoly_tuned.zip).

note that both fix the reported problem.

but:
what do you mean that i can "keep them and add the newly mapped and named versions".

one is newly named and the other is not.
further, if they have new names, won't it break existing presets which expect to find the samples under the old names?

it seems that i need to replace the old versions with the new versions and furthermore rename them to match the originals in order to maintain compatibility with presets.

is this correct?

any clarification greatly appreciated.
thanks.

[JamminFool]

recommend to delete the AcGuitar HSP sample from the SoundSets folder.

oh, and i forgot to ask:

are there any supplied Presets which depend on the AcGuitar HSP soundset?

[JamminFool]

jeez, i hate to get too tedious about this, but i want to get it right:

now i'm trying to adjust the Dulcimer 2 and Clav Wave 8 samples by adjusting the fine tuning as you suggest in this thread.

first: there is no Dulcimer 8 in my TSW soundset folder. I find a Dulcimer Soft, but no Dulcimer 2.

second: how do i save these Soundsets once i have made the adjustment?

thanks.

[Jeremy_NSL]

You can't save soundsets in Wusik. You need to make that adjustment in every preset you use the soundset in...

[JamminFool]

You can't save soundsets in Wusik. You need to make that adjustment in every preset you use the soundset in...

that's what i thought.
like i'm going to remember that 6 months from now...

klaus: any chance of getting updates to these samples?

[kpr]

The solutions for the few problem samples shouldn´t be too difficult, but you´re right, there might be some confusing items in there.

So, here´s how to make the best out of it:

- Check the replacement samples names with your SoundSets folders. The TSW_P5Synth_fixed and TSW_OBPoly_tuned files are the new ones. You should keep the old ones and simply drop the new ones in your favourite folder, perhaps in one of the Synths folders. I thought that the new samples are properly named, but if you find them doublenamed, then sorry for this and we´ll change this. In any doubt you can rename them.

- The mentioned Dulcimer sample is Dulcimer soft, this is messed in my above posting. But as there is no other Dulcimer sample inside TSW there should be no confusion. As long as you don´t detect any Pitch problem in any concerned Preset, then there is no problem. If you find one, then adjust the Fine Tune with a recommended value of -0.12 and save the Bank or Preset newly under the same name.

- The same is with the Clav Wave, the recommended Fine Tune is +0.15, but only if you may find a concerned Preset.

- The AcGuitar HSP is wrongly mapped, but is not replaced. You might delete the SoundSet.

- We´ve check all reported samples and they are not buggy, so nothing to do there.

Did you get your 50 MBs Bonus Samples (WAV format)? If not: request them.

[JamminFool]

yes not difficult, but as you say, a little confusing.

thanks for the detailed explanation.

it was mostly the naming issues which caused me concern:

do you recommend naming the new 'P5 Synth' as

'P5 Synth_tuned' to be similiar to the supplied 'OB Poly Synth_tuned'

or

'P5 Synth_fixed' as per the ZIP file name.



the reason this is so important is because Presets built on these new samples and distributed will not work correctly if the naming conventions vary across users installations. so we should all use the same names.

lastly, i already have the 50MBs of bonus sounds from the TSW/Vox'd Group Buy, so i am OK there. but thanks for the offer.

[TechnoWeeniePas]

Will these fixes be incorporated into future downloads or releases of the product? Also is there to be a pre-converted and organized V2 version of your sets coming out soon that may have these fixes pre-done?

[kpr]

do you recommend naming the new 'P5 Synth' as

'P5 Synth_tuned' to be similiar to the supplied 'OB Poly Synth_tuned'

or

'P5 Synth_fixed' as per the ZIP file name.



the reason this is so important is because Presets built on these new samples and distributed will not work correctly if the naming conventions vary across users installations. so we should all use the same names.

Yes, you´re right. Name them "..._fixed" and we´ll use the same name convention if they´ll be used for future Presets.

[kpr]

Will these fixes be incorporated into future downloads or releases of the product? Also is there to be a pre-converted and organized V2 version of your sets coming out soon that may have these fixes pre-done?

Yes, you can download the both fixed samples right away or you can wait for a TSW update, which will come in the near future. Perhaps you´ve already noticed that we´re offering a TSW Pro upgrade, so we´ll come with a TSW upgrade later, relase date tba.

Concerning the V2 version Presets: The most currently existing TSW, vox´d and TSW Pro Presets are available as WS1 and WS2 versions and we´ll consider this for future releases too.