User Reviews by KVR Members for Ludwig Super Classic Kit - Kontakt Pack
Version reviewed: 1.0.0 on Any OS.
Last edited by tommyzai on 16th September 2014.
Latest 2 reviews from a total of 2
3 September 2014 at 8:59pm
Nice review. Thanks. So... have you compared this to products like EZ Drummer, Superior, or Addictive Drums that also have their own MIDI players. If so, what are your thoughts?
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16 September 2014 at 5:15pm
I'm Tommy Zai. I've done a lot of writing over the years and have often been criticized that my writing sounds like a billboard ad. I nearly failed a master's level course because of it. ;-0. But I'm real and my review is real. I'm NOT adverspamming, although that might make a good screen name. LOL In short, I think Ludwig Super Classic is by far the most authentic vintage mid to late 60s kit out there. It's also a fantastic value. I've tried all of those genre kits, and while some have their good points, I've always had to replace either a snare, kick, cymbals, etc. This kit by DrumDrops is self-contained and allows me to focus on music. .. finally! I'm tired of spending my time assembling kits, collecting sounds, and trying to make it all work.
16 September 2014 at 5:26pm
For what it's worth, I'm a teacher. I use music as a means of reaching "at risk" teens in a developing area of Asia. This semester I will continue teaching the history of western music, focusing on the 60s. I will use a controller, maybe even the virtual one by Aerodrums, to have the kids bang out beats. Who knows, maybe I'll find the next Ringo or Bonham. ;-).
16 September 2014 at 11:57pm
Hi Cap'n Spanky,
Yes! I have compared Ludwig Classic Super Kit to EZ Drummer, Superior, and Addictive. I do not own all of them, but I played with them and their vintage packs. I didn't want my review to mention other products, but I'm happy to share why I chose DrumDrops over the big three competitors you mentioned.
EZ Drummer is straightforward and sounds good out-of-the-box. It's great for home demos a la Garage Band workflow; however, it's not versatile enough and has a baked in processing — not dry enough for my taste.
Superior Drummer is an excellent system that has lots and lots of control; however, the learning curve for comprehensive control is steep and users cannot easily replace instruments. The stock libraries and the Custom & Vintage SDX have a lot to offer. There are many usable instruments in there, but I feel the snares were weak and the toms weren't punchy enough. Also, the cymbals are average. As a result, once again, I am forced to mix and match to get the 60s sound.
Addictive Drums I love the cymbals throughout their collection, and the Black Oyster expansion is no exception. This also has its own engine, and it seems a bit easier than Toontrack for building your own kit.
I'm sure a good 60s-ish kit could be assembled by with mixing and matching instruments within and outside of any of the above mentioned, but I'm tired of being Dr. Frankenstein. With the 1965 Ludwig Super Classic Kit by DrumDrops I have my dream kit where it belongs — in one kit! It might come down to your workflow, your finances, and if you already own Kontakt. It made sense for me to go with DrumDrops!
25 January 2015 at 3:47pm
I do not like the ringeing after sound of the snare in the Ludvig kit. The just introduced Slingerland I find much better. But then agian personal taste is difficult to compare.I own:
MOR (Ministry of Rock from EastWest). For drum sound I think nothing compares.
Addictive. 1 was ok. 2 is a step backwards as they chenged the browsing system.
DrumCore, so far only 32-bit and we are waiting for DrumCore 4 with 64-bit. I paid for the upgrade almost 2 years ago. Still not released. Just great service. Most companies goes out of business whith this way of doing business.
EzDrummer 2. Superiors lillte brother but with an upgraded GUI. Sometimes I use EzDrummer for composition and turn to Superior before mixing. Superior har slightly more hit variety. (and other drumsets).
Native Instruments. Some good kits but less interesting GUI makes these kits less used by me. If I am going to do it the cumbersome way for sound, I turn to MOR.
In daily use I find Superior Drummer the best. I am not a drummer and I always start with pre made grooves. MOR does not have a MIDI player so it is a little bit cumbersome to use (as Drum Drops).
26 January 2015 at 1:01pm
Thanks for the point about the snare ring. We left it on purpose as we felt it was a good part of the character of the snare on this kit. You could always gate it to remove the ring I guess. We are releasing a Folk Rock kit soon which was recorded on a Ludwig Hollywood (same kit as the Classic but with two toms) and this maybe a good choice for you, although it only close mics the kick and the snare utilising 3 kit mics as well. (Old 70s style recording). There will be lots more kits though and like you say people like different kits for different reasons.
Do you think the MIDI player in the Drumdrops kontakt pack is difficult to use ? How would you like it improved ?
26 January 2015 at 7:19pm
Just small things like:
The possibility of 1/2 and 2x.
That you can drag grooves directly from the browser instead of the neccessary loading one by one first. This saves a double click.
It seems that "change grooves on a fly" has a little delay. Seems that Drum Drops want to finish the loaded groove in full (?) before changing to the new groove.
Otherwise I find Drum Drops great and I am looking forward spending time with the new Slingerland kit.
As of the snare ringing in the Ludvig kit, I know I can gate it but the ringing starts early and gating will snap off the snare too early.
BTW I like dry drums the best. I have each drum in a separate channel in my DAW (Cubase or Logic) and add whatever FX there. Thus FX in the drum software is not needed from my point of view. I rather have the development fundings spent on more sets, or multiple samplings (like with and without the ringing on the Ludvig snare), than FX like EQ, reverb and so on. Not even a pan and a volume fader is needed as it is in the DAW. It does not matter if they are there but it is really not needed.
26 January 2015 at 9:03pm
Thanks for your feedback. I think some of those features with the MIDI grooves are not possible because of the constraints of Kontakt. Fair point about the ring. We shall try to have non ringing and ringing snare options in future. We have just introduced what we call a 'one shot pack' for £ 5.00. This has just one velocity of each sample and people can listen to the sound of the kit before deciding if they want to buy one of the more expensive packs.
We tend to record most of our drums dry. We don't use artificial reverbs but will use brighter sounding drum rooms if it works for the sound we are after. Understood about the kontakt features. We primarily aim at getting the best sounding drums and then think about how we can make them versatile for the customers. But we are all about the sound... Thanks for the feedback.
26 January 2015 at 4:10pm
I also notice the natural after-ring decay, and in most cases I like it, but when it's not desirable I tame the release points with a soft gate. Yet, I'm always in favor of the driest sound possible as I prefer to place kits in the room of my choice. ;-). The Ludwig Super Classic remains my favorite kit, and I certainly look forward to checking out the Folk Rock kit, which also uses a Ludwig Hollywood. Way to go DrumDrops.
27 January 2015 at 12:08pm
Hi Guys, .
Just letting you know that the Ludwig Kit has both dampened and un-dampened articulations recorded for both snares.
The dampened articulations are pretty dead sounding.
We do this for kits where we think it would be useful to have both variations.
The un-dampened articulations are mapped up the keyboard away from D1 which is where we have the dampened articulations mapped.
All mapping info can be found in the user manual.
You may already know this but it never hurts to check :)
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