Roundels

This looks fantastic! I would've loved to have tried it on my PC, as I don't own a Mac. Any plans for a PC plugin version in the future?

Hi,

My current thinking is to maybe release this as Open Source as I really don't have the coding experience or resources to make this cross-platform.

Regards, D.

Seconding this! Looks so fun. Open sourcing it would be great.

Seconding this! Looks so fun.

Good idea, but my Mac stopped responding after inserting the Plugin. I had to remove the plugin.

macos 10.14.6, Logic 10.5.1.

Sorry about that, I'll do my best to check this on other systems. Thanks for letting me know.

Regards, D.

It would be great to see a video demonstrating the features, especially for the kvr challenge, so you get more publicity .

Good Call .. I'll try to get one done over the next few days.

Regards, D.

It's not showing up for me in Ableton (Mac Big Sur 11.6.5). looks sweet, hope we can get her up and running.

Hi,

Sorry about the no-show in Ableton - still separately trying to find a solution - and also to getting it compiled as a VST3.

I tried installing, but it gives an error in FL studio and even with non-identified developers allowed option turned on, it's still giving an error. Would be great to try this.

Hi,

Thanks for downloading and trying,

I have just uploaded a new version of the VST3 for FL. It might fix the issue but as I don't use FL myself I can't be sure. It did show up and open - and the animation ran ok but I'm not sure how to hook it up to an instrument to test the output. Will try some other fixes later when I can make some time to go through it in more detail.

Thanks! I got it to work, but only as an effect, which means it doesn't work. It opens, but as it's recognized as an effect I can't try it out. I'll keep trying :).

Thanks! I got it to work, but only as an effect, which means it doesn't work. It opens, but as it's recognized as an effect I can't try it out. I'll keep trying. It's the same thing in ableton. It show's up, but it's recognized as an effect only and thus doesn't seem to work (or at least I couldn't figure out how to use it as an effect) :).

I think its something to do with how I'm rendering the binary - whether it has MIDI output and input or not - it doesn't make any difference in Logic but clearly does to FL. I'll give it another go and make sure I get it run to run in FL before uploading ..

Not understanding how this is supposed to generate sound.

Not able to get the AU format to be recognized on my Mac Air / Intel - Monterey 12.6.7. Tried both versions = same result. The latest version 1.0.2a was able to load as a VST3.

Tried it in Reaper and Tracktion Waveform 12.5 using the VST3 and it looks like it's working, i that I see it moving along the step grid, yet no sound. Thought to insert an instrument after it to use as a sound generator, yet I see that there's no MIDI coming out of it. Tried the pass through mode and still no go.

What am I missing?

Looks so fun and good, hope it's just my ignorance in play.

Gratefully.

Hi,

I'm starting to think that as this was designed as a MidiFX plugin for Logic that it's not naturally going to run as a VST3 on a channel. In my experience - which is limited to be sure - MidiFX plugins don't generate MIDI in the same way that a standard plugin does - at least not using Juce.

I'll keep working on it.

Any clue as to why the AU version is not seen my my system.

If I can get the AU version to be recognized, will that generate MIDI so that I can use it in other DAWs than Logic?

I think I saw that someone has it running in Bitwig via VST3, I think.

I don't understand the MIDI "effect" in Logic thing. Does that work by outputting MIDI from Roundels?

Will appreciate anything you can share to help me sort out what's possible outside of Logic.

Hi.

https://mixedinkey.com/captain-plugins/wiki/how-to-use-midi-fx-in-logic-pro-x/

Some info about MidiFX.They are generally used in Logic to feed into a plugin on the same track or they can be stacked and routed through and into other MidiFX. There are specific slots that they can be loaded into at the top of the trackThey cannot be loaded as a regular plugin - not in Logic anyway. The VST3 shows up and runs in Reaper. I initiated a track and clicked the FX button and loaded it from there, then routed it to another track with an instrument on board. I can't see immediately how to do this in FL.Currently searching seem forums for more specific info ..

Hello,

I just downloaded and tried to open in Logic. I got a message that says ""Roundels.component" can't be opened because Apple cannot check it for malicious software. This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for more information." Anyone else have this issue? I'm on Monterery OS.

Thanks.

Hi jobi7, Thanks for downloading.

This is a known issue with Mac. There is a video on youTube [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-FH9Tlkj5M ] which explains a work-around to this issue.

Sorry for any inconvenience caused – I was unaware of this issue until I downloaded the plugin myself from KVR and attempted to install it from the Roundels.dmg file. The Installation Issue PDF in the downloaded files package also contains this link.

xiiixxi.

Hello Again, I finally figured out how to get the AU version loaded in Tracktion Waveform 12.5. It had been black listed due to Mac security, which had it showing up in the Waveform blacklist, so I deleted that warning and re-scanned the AU's and it worked! Cheers.

Now I'm seeing that the plug does indeed output MIDI data (confirmed with MIDI Monitor in Waveform), yet the generated output is using the same timestamp for both note on and note off, thus Instruments are not playing the generated notes.

e.g:

00:00:14.049 Note on F4 / 65: 114 Ch: 1 90 41 72.

00:00:14.049 Note off F4 / 65: 0 Ch: 1 80 41 00
00:00:14.560 Note on G#3 / 56: 116 Ch: 1 90 38 74
00:00:14.560 Note off G#3 / 56: 0 Ch: 1 80 38 00
00:00:13.000 Note on D3 / 50: 118 Ch: 1 90 32 76
00:00:13.000 Note off D3 / 50: 0 Ch: 1 80 32 00
00:00:13.535 Note on F#3 / 54: 115 Ch: 1 90 36 73
00:00:13.535 Note off F#3 / 54: 0 Ch: 1 80 36 00
00:00:14.046 Note on F4 / 65: 109 Ch: 1 90 41 6d
00:00:14.046 Note off F4 / 65: 0 Ch: 1 80 41 00
00:00:14.557 Note on G#3 / 56: 116 Ch: 1 90 38 74
00:00:14.557 Note off G#3 / 56: 0 Ch: 1 80 38 00.

I couldn't find any Roundels settings that made any difference.

Look forward to your feedback.

Hi PierreG,

Many thanks for the persistence so far. Is that the original version you are using or the latest update (version 1.2.0) which now evaluates the timings directly from the PPQ info provided by the host. The [ Gate Length ] setting on the sequencer page should control the length of the trigger.

Thanks for responding! I was using the original 1.01 version. Just updated to the latest 1.2.0 and it's the same, with the note on / off at the same timestamp. Moving the Gate Length slider to different settings does not have an effect on this phenomenon.

Hi,

Have you tried selecting the [ Legato ] buttons for some notes on the sequence page - this function effectively removes note-offs until a new note on is triggered. If this works then I can add a remove note_off switch. This would effectively remove all note-off instructions leaving the receiving sound-creation plugin's ASDR envelope to manage the duration of the resulting sound - which can lead to a very messy end-product if not controlled effectively, but worth a go to find out if this is a Tracktion specific behaviour - it certainly does not work this way in Logic.

Legato works! Great to finally hear output! Thanks for hanging in there with the particulars for Waveform. :) As for yielding a "very messy end-product, are you suggesting that Waveform should be tweaked to work differently? Or is this something you'd be able to tweak in Roundels to make it less of a messy end-product?

Hi,

Glad it is at last giving you some usable output. The comment about 'messy output' was linked to the idea of removing Note-Off messages - this would leave an open-ended stream of Note-Ons building up over time - hence messy. There is something different in the way that Waveform is treating MidiFX plugins to how Logic does it. But if the Legato option works then this is doing the job correctly - that is delaying the Note-Off messages until the next Note-On is generated.

The Roundels checkbox goes away when flipping through the other option boxes / screens. The text shows, yet the box disappears .To get it back, I need to close the plug GUI and re-open it. This is on a MAC Air / Intell - Monterey 12.6.8.

The checkboxes select the page being viewed. As a default setting if Roundels is making use of the animation feature then I have prohibited use of the other pages as this may cause spikes in CPU usage (due to the relatively high CPU usage of the animation algorithm). Selecting one of the three roundels stops the animation and, as a a result it is that group of settings that can be edited using the other pages. While the three settings are being morphed together the settings that can be seen and edited on the other pages is that of the morph itself at that particular point - which will change according to the position of the indicator overriding any manual change made on the other pages. The morph is in realtime and the three roundels store the initial three poles of that morph.

This can be overridden by enabling the Expert Mode on the [ advanced ] page. Doing this allows access to the other pages whilst morphing - and what they display is the state of the morph - not the initial Roundel settings - which do not change during the morph. Stopping the animation and/or selecting the Roundel allows its' individual settings to be seen and edited using the other pages. This must be saved back to the Roundel for it to become permanent.

Hope this helps :-).

Hi,

Glad it is at last giving you some usable output. The comment about 'messy output' was linked to the idea of removing Note-Off messages - this would leave an open-ended stream of Note-Ons building up over time - hence messy. There is something different in the way that Waveform is treating MidiFX plugins to how Logic does it. But if the Legato option works then this is doing the job correctly - that is delaying the Note-Off messages until the next Note-On is generated.

Thanks for the tutorial, makes sense. As for your comment: "If this works then I can add a remove note_off switch." Do you think you'll implement this option?

Hi PierreG,

Yes, I'll certainly have a look at doing that as an extra option on the [advanced ] page for those hosts that will benefit from it :-).

Cheers!!! Many thanks. ?.

Regarding the check boxes... I think I better understand how they work. Thanks for he detailed explanation! ✌️.