Your opinion about Zebra 2

[chk071]

Hehehe, calling Hive "nerdy" because it loads wavetables is a bit of a stretch.

Sure, we added this scripting thing. It may strengthen Hive's appeal to a geekier crowd, but for the user who isn't interested in editing wavetables, Hive is only getting what was asked for most: More Waveforms. A lot more.

Fair enough, after all people don't have to do the scripting. It's just a surprising approach for a synth which was supposed to be less complicated, that's all.

[Urs]

Hehehe, calling Hive "nerdy" because it loads wavetables is a bit of a stretch.

Sure, we added this scripting thing. It may strengthen Hive's appeal to a geekier crowd, but for the user who isn't interested in editing wavetables, Hive is only getting what was asked for most: More Waveforms. A lot more.

Fair enough, after all people don't have to do the scripting. It's just a surprising approach for a synth which was supposed to be less complicated, that's all.

Hehehe, you are right! However...

... the idea is that the burden of geekiness is shifted towards sound designers who are ambitious enough to get into this. The geekiness is basically invisible to people who don't wish to dive in. That's why we're avoiding any means that makes weird things more prominent. No built-in waveform editor, no built-in script file editor. Just a browser for wavetables. And of course we'll pack the final version of this with a lot of content. I assume there'll be 200 ready-to-go wavetables, if not more. We'll see!

But another point: I wish I could with a happy smile in my face say "go folks, there are gazillions of wavetables freely available on the net". And yes there are. Only, after wading through hundreds, if not thousands, I was quite underwhelmed by a lot of it. Obviously, it's mostly the "turn a sample into a wavetable" issue discussed elsewhere. We needed something that lets us do great wavetables without sampling from a synth or another source. We started using Serum a bit, but the we wished for our own editor. So we made Zebra export wavetables. But those are pretty much Zebra, and already in Zebra. The scripting thing allows us to expand Hive in ways no visual editor can, and no sample conversion tool.

So it's not "hey, let's make Hive geeky". It's "hey, what gives us the best options for Hive?"

[fluffy_little_something]

Hive and wavetables seems a strange combination to me. I always thought of it as an analog-type synth.

And what exactly does scripting affect or allow? Just an example, as I have no idea. I see it more and more often though, Lua scripting in particular...

[marooned ufo]

I guess, the common place of users to confuse individual preference for product quality has driven many developers from public forums.

That would be assuming that all developers are immune to self promoting and marketing. I've yet to see a developer talk negative about purchasing and using their products. They aren't even willing to point out their weaknesses, they would rather distract or redirect the questions.

Public forums are meant for people to discuss products openly and freely without being attacked by a developer with a mission, to sell more products. If an idea doesn't fit into their road map, it's quickly brushed off with an excuse or sometimes attitude.

I would suggest that they use their own sub-forum or company forum, as it would be the best place to discuss these one sided discussions. It's probably better for developers to stay away from open discussions only to try and shut down an opposing opinion. That's not their job, back to coding works best.

I'm not saying that all developers don't know how to handle themselves in public forums, but to blame the users opinions as the common problem for quality control is plain pompous. The collection of users opinions are what makes the products better and ultimately satisfy their customer base. Without customers you wouldn't have a company and without their opinions you would only have a product that satisfies the company's needs.

[chk071]

Hive and wavetables seems a strange combination to me. I always thought of it as an analog-type synth.

I'd disagree, and say that it very well lends itself to wavetables. I don't think it's so different to VA. Both is usually packed into a subtractive synthesis engine, and you only need few more paramaters, e.g. to scan through the wavetables, and can use the existing modulation system for those. I think it's great that Hive has more waveforms, and even wavetables now, i'm just not sure how many really will fiddle with the scripting. I mean, it really sounds great on paper, but, for example, there's no visual display of the waveforms or wavetables, which is already a negative point for me.

Anyway, as it's only for the creation of wavetables (as far as i understood it), and it's not a feature you necessarily have to use, or deal with, it should be fine for most users, i guess, and those who want to delve into it don't have to use an external editor.

[EvilDragon]

Hive and wavetables seems a strange combination to me. I always thought of it as an analog-type synth.

Hive is by design a wavetable synth (just like Synlenth).

And what exactly does scripting affect or allow? Just an example, as I have no idea. I see it more and more often though, Lua scripting in particular...

Scripting allows you to create wavetables algorithmically, instead of via samples.

[vurt]

Scripting allows you to create wavetables algorithmically, instead of via samples.

there was an audible "woosh!" as that just flew over my head
ill leave that up to the "nerds" and continue to stand on the shoulders of giants

[pdxindy]

Hive and wavetables seems a strange combination to me. I always thought of it as an analog-type synth.

And what exactly does scripting affect or allow? Just an example, as I have no idea. I see it more and more often though, Lua scripting in particular...

It is a subtractive synth. Not an analog emulation.

Scripting allows one to generate complex wavetables via formula.

[fluffy_little_something]

Hive and wavetables seems a strange combination to me. I always thought of it as an analog-type synth.

Hive is by design a wavetable synth (just like Synlenth).

And what exactly does scripting affect or allow? Just an example, as I have no idea. I see it more and more often though, Lua scripting in particular...

Scripting allows you to create wavetables algorithmically, instead of via samples.

So, it produces waveforms from formulae so to speak, maybe with a bit of random when putting them in tables?

[pdxindy]

So, it produces waveforms from formulae so to speak, maybe with a bit of random when putting them in tables?

Not just waveforms... wavetables from formula... so for example, you can generate a sine that then is 'FM'ed' or a sawtooth with a filter sweep or a triangle that morphs into a square and then a saw... and so on.

[fluffy_little_something]

Hive and wavetables seems a strange combination to me. I always thought of it as an analog-type synth.

And what exactly does scripting affect or allow? Just an example, as I have no idea. I see it more and more often though, Lua scripting in particular...

It is a subtractive synth. Not an analog emulation.

Scripting allows one to generate complex wavetables via formula.

What's complex, the waveforms or the way they are arranged or scanned in the table?

Yes, analog as in subtractive, old-skool

[fluffy_little_something]

So, it produces waveforms from formulae so to speak, maybe with a bit of random when putting them in tables?

Not just waveforms... wavetables from formula... so for example, you can generate a sine that then is 'FM'ed' or a sawtooth with a filter sweep or a triangle that morphs into a square and then a saw... and so on.

So, you are automating synth features and modulations into the oscillator?

[Sampleconstruct]

My opinion: great synth, great sound, great concept, great great.

[martinjuenke]

One of the most comprehensive, most well-engineered and most universal synths on the market...

[ZeePok]

Hive and wavetables seems a strange combination to me. I always thought of it as an analog-type synth.

And what exactly does scripting affect or allow? Just an example, as I have no idea. I see it more and more often though, Lua scripting in particular...

 
Urs just wrote the first of a number of tutorials about it:

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